# Business Relocation/Economic Expansion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Pub\ **Created:** [November 19, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057 "2020-11-19T21:02:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/paytonc/32/8502_2.png) [@paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/paytonc)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/726 "2025-01-25T17:46:26Z")
Finding 100 acres under a single owner that’s currently on the commercial market would be tough, but I’m pretty sure that an institution like RTF, RDU, [UNC](https://facilities.unc.edu/about/carolina-north/history/), or [NCSU](https://wraltechwire.com/2021/05/19/big-changes-are-coming-for-nc-states-centennial-campus-with-rezoning-ok-from-city/) could find room within their campuses, all of which were intended for biomedical research: - RTF itself owns the 82.5 acre [Site 8](https://www.rtp.org/real-estate/), though it’s awkwardly wrapped around a hunting club. It also owns another 100 acres across several parcels on Louis Stephens Dr, sandwiched between Parkside Town Common and the (282 acre) Apple campus. - Alexandria REIT, which develops life sciences real estate (customers include [Boston Children’s Hospital](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/alexandria-real-estate-equities-incs-pioneering-foundational-and-highly-amenitized-over-2-million-rsf-mega-campus-in-greater-bostons-fenway-solidifies-its-dominance-in-the-new-collaborative-life-science-submarket-301865230.html)), [owns 600? acres](https://forum.buildingbullcity.com/Alexandria-Real-Estate-Investment-in-RTP-td1003.html) of RTP. At the I-885 Cornwallis exit, they have the mostly-vacant 100-acre Genesis Way tract, across from the 132-acre former Burroughs Wellcome campus that [United Therapeutics](https://hbr.org/podcast/2023/04/how-martine-rothblatt-started-a-company-to-save-her-daughter) owns. - UNC has about 250 developable acres on the Horace Williams Airport tract, though TBH they’ve been sitting on that for decades. - NCSU Centennial Campus Spring Hill District (between Dix Park and Centennial Pkwy) is 130 acres. [Rezoning of RTP](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-area-mall-rtp-redevelopments/1184/5455) will open up a lot of development rights, and enable the hospital’s ancillary uses. Many of the existing landowners would be happy to sell their newly excess land for a hospital, and several (like Alexandria) are in that business. Plus, UNC is already planning [a hospital inside RTP](https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2024/10/11/unc-health-certicate-of-need-approval-rtp-hospital.html). (The RTP hospital is a clever way for UNC to reach the western Wake market by telling the state it’s creating competition for Duke in Durham, since the state treats Durham-Chapel Hill and Wake as separate hospital markets.) There’s also all that [state-owned land around Blue Ridge](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/blue-ridge-corridor/1967) / Wade / Edwards Mill, conveniently already state-owned and close to UNC Rex + surrounding medical offices. It’s probably the only site worth considering in Raleigh. ---
**Author:** ![pBeez](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/pbeez/32/2461_2.png) [@pBeez](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/pBeez)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/727 "2025-01-25T18:25:22Z")
No doubt. This would also substantially change the park’s nature. I am for more desnity, but not acres of suburban offices and parking lots. I hope they move carefully. A bigger question is how are they handling the sewage? That park does not perk! Lol ---
**Author:** ![keita](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/keita/32/354_2.png) [@keita](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/keita)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/728 "2025-01-25T18:58:54Z")
It seems like the idea isn’t just to build a hospital - but an entire medical ecosystem. > [@the TBJ article](#): > > The plans are to develop a campus of about 100 acres that includes medical office buildings, outpatient facilities and capacity for research. The health system is also planning space for related development, like hotels, restaurants and other services that would support children and families traveling to the hospital. The article explicitly uses [the Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta medical center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Healthcare_of_Atlanta) as an example - but we can also think about Philadelphia’s [Children’s Hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Hospital_of_Philadelphia), [SickKids in Toronto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_for_Sick_Children_(Toronto)), [Sloan-Kettering in New York](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Sloan_Kettering_Cancer_Center), [Texas Children’s Hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Children%27s_Hospital) in Houston, and [Boston Children’s Hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Children%27s_Hospital). All of those places have their own brands and legacies that are separate from the rest of their respective medical schools and adult teaching hospitals. Some of them even have their own hotel/restaurant/mixed-use development opportunities, jobs through NIH research grants, and even startup spinoffs! This does _ **not** _ sound like something where it’d make sense to have a suburb-y development. Especially since [we already know that RTP is aiming to become more urban](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-area-mall-rtp-redevelopments/1184/5837), I wouldn’t be too worried about being saddled with even more empty oceans of surface parking lots. Sewage - and land use more generally - could be deciding factors, though, like you’re suggesting: > [@](#): > > In Wake County, one of the few areas where that amount of developable land is available is near its border with Johnston County […], Chatham County has available land and a solid highway connector in U.S. 64. There are also large parcels of land available north of Durham and closer to Hillsborough. > > If UNC Health wants a more central location near the airport, the options are more limited. […] Access is an important consideration for any health care development, said Trey Adams, a managing partner at Atlas Stark. While Adams is not involved in UNC Health’s plans, he has experience working on medical facilities projects. > > Most health care organizations develop facilities that patients can easily navigate entering and exiting, with plenty of space for parking, in highly populated areas. But the surrounding environment can also play a role. Adams said these sorts of facilities can involve buffer land and other components that create a campus-like feel. Atlanta’s new hospital, for instance, has a 20-acre garden. ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:14pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/729 "2025-01-25T20:14:25Z")
How big that was development area that Raleigh was using to court Amazon by Dix Park? Is it 100 acres? ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/will/32/218_2.png) [@Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/730 "2025-01-25T22:58:33Z")
I had this thought as well. It’s NC State owned land, so I’m not sure they’d be on board allowing unc to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Citiboi919](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@Citiboi919](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Citiboi919)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/731 "2025-01-26T01:39:47Z")
Great idea I’m sure the more aggressive Councilors Melton and Silver would love this idea.I think Raleigh city leaders should go all in on this Hospital it would be a great economic engine. ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/will/32/218_2.png) [@Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/732 "2025-01-26T19:00:57Z")
![IMG_5473](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/3X/1/c/1cacd3abfdd58fa8729772e02eddc76ae6cede80.jpeg) 129 Acres ---
**Author:** ![Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/will/32/218_2.png) [@Will](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Will)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/733 "2025-01-26T19:05:50Z")
![IMG_5475](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/3X/2/f/2fa910209f8ad2de3a566177ad549e5aaf155985.jpeg) RGA golf course south of tryon is 126 acres. They just sold the portion north of the golf course for apartments. ---
**Author:** ![kjhburg](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/kjhburg/32/27019_2.png) [@kjhburg](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/kjhburg)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/734 "2025-01-27T02:01:05Z")
From what I read about this massive stand alone Childrens Hospital that UNC proposes is that they want interstate access. This is a NC project to attract children from all over state and it has to be very accessible on an Interstate highway (sorry Chatham County) I think it could land on some state land near Blue Ridge Road or Edwards Mills Rd. Or how big is the old Cary Town Mall site that Epic Games owns? Because one article I read a long time ago mentioned Cary. This article from Business NC from 2023 says they are looking at 50-75 acres [https://businessnc.com/unc-health-plans-to-build-2-billion-childrens-hospital/](https://businessnc.com/unc-health-plans-to-build-2-billion-childrens-hospital/) ---
**Author:** ![daviddonovan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/daviddonovan/32/50_2.png) [@daviddonovan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/daviddonovan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/735 "2025-01-27T02:38:56Z")
The portion north of Tryon Road is 44 acres, and the developer hopes to build 350 to 500 townhouses and apartments. This is awesome news. This idea has been talked about for years in this forum, and it looks like it’s finally happening. Nice. > **[Dominium Hoping to Turn Raleigh Golf Holes into Affordable Housing - Connect CRE](https://www.connectcre.com/stories/dominium-hoping-to-turn-raleigh-golf-holes-into-affordable-housing/)** > > Dominium is hoping to take over some of a golf course property owned by the Raleigh Golf Association golf course to build apartments on nearly 44 acres. The proposed zoning is residential mixed-use up to four stories. The request contemplates only... ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/736 "2025-01-27T21:46:59Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wSvGVL1D14k/maxresdefault.jpg "Why Golf Courses Should Be Reclaimed for the Homeless | George Carlin") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSvGVL1D14k) ---
**Author:** ![Citiboi919](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@Citiboi919](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Citiboi919)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 5:08am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/737 "2025-01-28T05:08:00Z")
Would be great if we could connect it with some parts of Dix Park. ---
**Author:** ![OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/oakcitydylan/32/169_2.png) [@OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakCityDylan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/738 "2025-01-29T16:25:43Z")
Reposting here to close the loop from Dec 2021… > [@NC Children's Hospital: This ain't your mama's CHoNC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/nc-childrens-hospital-this-aint-your-mamas-chonc/4249/47): > > Funny you ask, TBJ decided to answer your question with this “Breaking News” [Plans for massive Cary HQ withdrawn](https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2025/01/29/epic-games-cary-towne-center-headquarters-rezoning.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=RA&ana=e_RA_BN&j=38387079&senddate=2025-01-29) AI summary: Epic Games has officially withdrawn its plans for a massive headquarters campus at the former Cary Towne Center site, raising uncertainty about the property’s future. The company’s rezoning request, initially filed in 2021, was pulled due to inactivity. Epic had planned to transform the 85-acre site into a mixed-use district featuring office space, retail, and a hotel,… ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/739 "2025-01-29T17:29:20Z")
Let’s bring back Ikea! ---
**Author:** ![roguejam](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/34f0e0/32.png) [@roguejam](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/roguejam)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/740 "2025-01-29T19:46:57Z")
As someone who lives walking distance to the site, I would LOVE an Ikea. Or better yet, a [small-format Ikea](https://www.costar.com/article/899515432/ikea-slates-four-small-format-stores-for-home-planning-and-merchandise-pickup) that fit into the [Carolina Yards rezoning](https://www.carync.gov/projects-initiatives/cary-community-plan/eastern-cary-gateway/cary-towne-center-redevelopment) ---
**Author:** ![paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/paytonc/32/8502_2.png) [@paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/paytonc)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/741 "2025-01-30T19:58:27Z")
The small-format IKEAs still rely on a full-size IKEA nearby as the warehouse for order fulfillment. Maybe it would be a good replacement for the not-happening Sports and Recreation Community Center at South Hills. I think it would be hilarious on the wedge of land the Martin family still owns behind the Best Buy at Crossroads; at 15 acres, it’s big enough, and it has the ideal combination of very high road visibility plus infuriatingly obscure road access that IKEA seems to love. ---
**Author:** ![StreetviewRDU](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@StreetviewRDU](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/StreetviewRDU)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:08am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/742 "2025-01-31T05:08:21Z")
We’ll get IKEA eventually but likely near Top Golf off I-40 ---
**Author:** ![Spero](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@Spero](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Spero)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/743 "2025-01-31T15:17:51Z")
It’s insane that we don’t have one here, just from the universities alone. ---
**Author:** ![GucciLittlePig](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/guccilittlepig/32/25831_2.png) [@GucciLittlePig](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/GucciLittlePig)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/744 "2025-01-31T15:32:52Z")
And adults like me who can only afford the drinks at Restoration Hardware. ---
**Author:** ![Spero](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@Spero](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Spero)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/business-relocation-economic-expansion/2057/745 "2025-01-31T15:43:04Z")
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