# Downtown South development **URL:** \ **Category:** New Construction\ **Created:** [April 1, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012 "2019-04-01T20:00:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![JWH](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/jwh/32/27_2.png) [@JWH](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/JWH)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2500 "2022-02-17T17:38:44Z")
I didn’t do a very good job of depicting the discussion regarding an entertainment venue, and it has led to some conclusions that may or may not be accurate. My apologies. The information provided during the meeting was **very** limited. Allow me some time to get some clarifications and I will post an update. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/ahops0428/32/11931_2.png) [@ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ahops0428)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2501 "2022-02-17T18:16:31Z")
No worries, as @keita points out there’s going to be more people in the area. I’m sure some of the information they shared last night will also change as the process moves forward. I’m just also wondering if the market is there to support two venues so close to each other. I can imagine a future Dream Fest or a different future music festival could utilize multiple venues like this a la Hopscotch. ---
**Author:** ![CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/CarnifeX)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2502 "2022-02-18T16:52:00Z")
Are there city (or other government) funds going toward the Downtown South development? ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2503 "2022-02-18T17:37:07Z")
The only assistance (that Kane hasn’t applied for yet) is Raleigh’s new tax increment financing program (TIF). TIF subsidies are not appropriated directly from a city’s budget, but the city incurs loss through forgone tax revenue. ---
**Author:** ![CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/CarnifeX)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2504 "2022-02-18T18:05:13Z")
Ok, I was on the presentation and heard a ton of questions about Affordable Housing (intentionally capitalized, this is officially a proper noun these days). I was curious if this was somehow required of this project. If some city funds were going to the project (via tax credit or otherwise), I could understand including that stipulation. ---
**Author:** ![OakFolk](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/858c86/32.png) [@OakFolk](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakFolk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2505 "2022-03-01T16:55:45Z")
Saw the neighborhood meeting pop up on the Wire for this area. Of note, I saw them doing what appeared to be a core sample here (red mark) yesterday evening. ![Screenshot_20220301-114739_OneDrive](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/f/f193f49a3f596de85e29c174faba0a0d27283eb1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JWH](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/jwh/32/27_2.png) [@JWH](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/JWH)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2506 "2022-03-02T00:11:24Z")
> [@JWH](#): > > I didn’t do a very good job of depicting the discussion regarding an entertainment venue, and it has led to some conclusions that may or may not be accurate. My apologies. The information provided during the meeting was **very** limited. Allow me some time to get some clarifications and I will post an update. Thanks. During a phone conversation with a member of the Kane Realty staff, he told me that they were still in the process of planning the entertainment venue. He stated the venue would be an enclosed building. He also told me that the last Quarterly Meeting was posted on the downtown south website ([https://www.visitdowntownsouth.com/quarterly-meeting](https://www.visitdowntownsouth.com/quarterly-meeting) ), so I was able to watch it again. Two viewers asked a question about the entertainment venue during the Q&A portion of the meeting. When asked to _describe the use of the entertainment venue_, Bonner Gaylord replied, “We’re still working on exactly what that’s going to look like. Probably general events, music, open for the public for different purposes”. When asked _specifically what will be the initial entertainment venue_, Mr. Gaylord replied, “it’s focused on music” and “it’s available for other things. It should be a phenomenal addition to our community if we pull it off the way we’re anticipating”. So there you have it. At this point in time, the only thing I’m certain of is that I’m not certain of anything as it relates to the venue. As you would expect, they are avoiding releasing too much information before they are ready to release the plans publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Kevin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/2acd7d/32.png) [@Kevin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Kevin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2507 "2022-03-02T00:15:56Z")
They got wind of MxE trying to poach Live Nation and barged in, I bet. Kane is not going to let anyone else develop a venue like that in this city if he can do it first. ---
**Author:** ![ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/ahops0428/32/11931_2.png) [@ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ahops0428)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2508 "2022-03-02T18:21:35Z")
They had some goodies on the slides in there. They provided an updated timeline for the folks who were curious. ![image](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/7/797549673069c5851874d455017587da3cfeb2b6.jpeg) ![image](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/b/b6244f3a9138deb1a9fb4258077a636d86036e3f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/oakcityyimby)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2509 "2022-03-02T18:22:59Z")
Interesting, really front-loading the hotels. ---
**Author:** ![ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/ahops0428/32/11931_2.png) [@ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ahops0428)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2510 "2022-03-02T18:27:36Z")
City of Raleigh slowly chipping away at the ‘lack’ of downtown hotels one project at a time I suppose. I guess this will make it real convenient for any visiting team playing against NCFC/Carolina Courage. ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2511 "2022-03-02T18:45:08Z")
City of Raleigh really should make Wilmington Street a walkable avenue with wide sidewalks and zoning to encourage mid-rise development right on Wilmington Street. It’s basically limited access highway at the moment which isolates downtown and downtown south. ---
**Author:** ![ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/ahops0428/32/11931_2.png) [@ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ahops0428)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2512 "2022-03-02T18:47:04Z")
FWIW, this orb-shaped thing should be the entertainment venue (per Bonner). ![image](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/5/58b4a1a4929942ebd0713363699add5e9d8637e4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Deekay93](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/d2c977/32.png) [@Deekay93](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Deekay93)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2513 "2022-03-02T19:12:01Z")
So that thing is getting built? Any idea what type of “entertainment” venue this is? ---
**Author:** ![keita](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/keita/32/354_2.png) [@keita](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/keita)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2514 "2022-03-02T19:14:10Z")
Plans and funding to do exactly this will be one of the byproducts for the [Wilmington St. BRT](https://raleighnc.gov/projects/wake-brt-southern-corridor)’s planning/development process. When the city gets through its current stage of designs and policymaking for that corridor (we would be done with it soon if [Garner didn’t wait six months to approve a key step](https://www.campo-nc.us/programs-studies/transit/wake-transit-plan/wake-brt-southern-corridor) last year), it’s supposed to come out with a “corridor plan”. This just be just like what they wrote for the [Western Blvd.](https://cityofraleigh0drupal.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/drupal-prod/COR22/WesternBRTReport.pdf) and [New Bern Av.](https://raleighnc.gov/station-area-plan-new-bern) corridors, and they should spell out what sideway/bikeway extensions need to be built and where zoning overlays should be enacted. ---
**Author:** ![ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/ahops0428/32/11931_2.png) [@ahops0428](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ahops0428)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2515 "2022-03-02T19:16:38Z")
In the video Bonner Gaylord does a word salad of saying a lot without saying a whole lot when it comes to that venue. Said some stuff about being a music venue, then says maybe something else, then says it’s a music venue, then I stopped listening. I think @JWH would be the one to help you with your question. Looks like he’s had some communications with the Kane folks. ---
**Author:** ![CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@CarnifeX](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/CarnifeX)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2516 "2022-03-02T21:01:57Z")
That rendering of the Raleigh Opera House looks wonderful! ---
**Author:** ![JDenny](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@JDenny](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/JDenny)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2517 "2022-03-02T21:29:11Z")
I think someone may have said it earlier, and maybe someone from Kane is listening, but I could totally see something like the Music Factory in CLT being successful there – and needed. Yes most have to drive there, but they get great acts and there is a lot to do (bars, brewery, restaurant, comedy club, two music venues, outdoor volleyball courts, etc. etc.). If I remember correctly, there is even an office park right next to it all. ---
**Author:** ![PedroPastrana](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/pedropastrana/32/22555_2.png) [@PedroPastrana](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/PedroPastrana)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2518 "2022-03-02T21:31:16Z")
This some bullshit i would really love the first 40 stories tall building these other buildings looks so dam small ---
**Author:** ![bartonfj](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@bartonfj](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/bartonfj)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/downtown-south-development/1012/2519 "2022-03-02T21:36:45Z")
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