# Five Points, East End Market, & Raleigh Iron Works **URL:** \ **Category:** New Construction\ **Created:** [February 11, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/five-points-east-end-market-raleigh-iron-works/895 "2019-02-11T05:25:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 687
**Author:** ![orulz](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/orulz/32/3808_2.png) [@orulz](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/orulz)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/five-points-east-end-market-raleigh-iron-works/895/687 "2021-07-08T17:18:00Z")
I guess my point is that, all else equal, a roundabout is not better than a traffic signal from a pedestrian standpoint. Its main benefit is that it allows smoother traffic flow, and secondarily that the island in the middle can be a feature/landmark… I’ll certainly allow that the current intersection, as built, is pretty bad, but even preserving the four lane traffic on Glenwood, I fear/think that there may be a far more conventional, far simpler, and yet far more exciting (and far more boring at the same time), solution to this problem. Rebuilding it as a modern signalized intersection would be MUCH MORE of an upgrade for all users: motorists, pedestrians, transit riders, and cyclists alike. I dub it: The End of Five Points. https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1hI2UKaN18AJA3S3ZYC2JgtOI-VSEsVm1 It’s not drawn in microstation - but there it is. Five points is no more; gone is an interesting “quirk” of 1920s-1950s era traffic engineering in Raleigh: it’s now a boring old four-legged intersection. _But look at all that new pedestrian space!!_ The intersection can _breathe_ now! Good riddance, I say. The city acquiring the Walgreens to realign Fairview would be an awesome opportunity for a mixed use redevelopment, including a public parking facility. This is the sort of thing that big cities (Washington DC, Chicago, New York, London, etc etc etc) do when presented with a situation such as this one: Don’t make it way way more complex with some crazy two laned roundabout, or underpass, or any such nonsense. _Just. Simplify. It._ --- _[View the full topic](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/five-points-east-end-market-raleigh-iron-works/895)._