Oh, that’s interesting for sure.
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Watch Hayes Barton lose their shit and we end up getting some watered-down development like Birney Park.
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Oh, it’s going to be pricy for sure: no matter what happens.
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…hopefully pricey enough that whoever buys it CANNOT AFFORD to curtail to the Hayes-Barton NIMBY demands lol
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this turns into another Birney Park type of development.
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That wouldn’t be the worst outcome.
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I would prefer more density… but given the neighborhood here I can’t imagine someone could get a 20 story rezoning
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Personally, I don’t want 20 stories here. I want 20 stories in more walkable locations. If this was on the other side of Wade and much closer to the Village District/NC State, I’d be all for it.
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Yeah I feel like there’s something to being very intentional with your plans for this site.
Going in and putting in 20 story mammoth plans is asking for lengthy lawsuits/issues with council approval that would likely end in nothing getting built for years.
A Birney park type development here would bring hundreds to thousands of new housing. Front Wade with a 6-8 story apartment tiered back to some condos in the 4ish floor level, and then townhomes at the rear of the property. This likely would be enough for the neighborhood to not cause too much of a fuss, especially if you put most of the density facing Wade.
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Birney with more retail would be great. Something similar to Meadowmont in Chapel Hill, but where the design leans urban, rather than suburban would be cool. Have the retail portion front Wade Ave.
When I say urban I mean something that would also compliment the neighborhood. Not something like North Hills. More like a Georgetown feel.
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Traffic on Wade makes it a bad face for the retail. I’d put the retail in the back of the property facing the neighborhood because that would actually entice people to walk there. The Wade/St. Mary’s intersection is a less than ideal place to front retail.
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I hope someone does several traffic studies and cancels the project.
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I wasn’t necessarily suggesting that they sit on Wade. The development is raised from Wade and would contain it’s own streets with ingress and egress on St Marys and Wade back towards the SECU.
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A neighborhood that resembles an expanded version of this plan from Architect Marques King, RA, NCARB would be great for this lot:
Something like this (minus the street parking) would blend in with the rest of the area and enhance the sidewalk experience for walkers like myself.
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If done correctly, this could be an interesting experiment in taking advantage of no parking minimums, but they are going to have to be strategic in fully leveraging the walk shed north of Wade. While some will undoubtedly walk across Wade from the south, it’s a rather daunting thing to expect most people to do. I have walked across it many times on daily walks, but it’s not the sort of intersection that I expect most to want to cross by foot.
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there is sufficient cycling activity in this area that if the developer leaned into that with ample secure indoor bike parking i bet you anything bike owners would snatch them up. biking downtown is a much easier ask than walking for commuters
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I feel like that would have some unintended consequences. Instead of more people going car free or limiting to 1 car for families, it would more likely end up with the streets becoming packed with cars.
Similar to the condos across the road that have 1 spot each and the roads are absolutely packed with cars all the time, despite being in a more walkable place than this spot.
Would think the test of minimums is better downtown but that’s just my 2 cents as someone that hates driving on the roads around the Village District.
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This was my idea awhile back. Would be nice to keep some of the original historic building - office, condos, hotel?
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Yeah this is genuinely the best possible outcome I can imagine, here.
Once again asking you to become Dictator of Raleigh!
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That section of Wade between Annapolis Dr and St Mary’s needs to be completely redone and modernized. I wonder if SECU would want a new office building to replace their two current ones adjacent to Old Rex; they could also incorporate them into the development. The St. Mary’s intersection may need to be converted to a tight diamond interchange; a single intersection with an overpass for through traffic on Wade.
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