Peace at West (Smok(e)y Hollow)

I think the 3 sides will be wrapped in Apartments and the street shot is service ally.

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Thanks, I mis-read Leo’s description.

A follow up to Leo’s post, I find I very much want to see a phase 4 as well. Sorry Wake County but your general services lot is a terrible fit downtown.

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I know neighborhood parks don’t really generate money for the City, but I would love to see a small park somewhere in the Smoky Hollow area. Nothing huge, but a park that doesn’t require you to cross 5 lanes of traffic (ahem Peace Street) to get to some green space.

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I wanted Peace lifted up just a smidge more and a bridge put in instead of a culvert, and then run the greenway through Devereux Meadows, under Peace, along a benched daylighted creek adjacent to Publix and end at West and the cycle track at West. Then you’d have a connection all the way to Dix. And the residents could get to Devereaux Meadows below grade.

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So, does this mean, which ever is tallest? 40 stories or 500’???

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It’s so dumb to me that there isn’t something between 20 and 40 that’s such a huge jump.

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The beauty of the UDO rezoning request process is that it’s exactly the time for citizens and the city to ask for their own concessions from the developer. Kane is thwarting some of that with his offer to wrap the parking pedestal with housing (though I think hotel would make a better wrap like Origin). Now is the time to push for safe pedestrian access across Peace Street via a tunnel or pedestrian bridge. At the very least, Kane should demonstrate how his project would be friendly to those who want to use the sidewalk on the new Capital Blvd bridge to access Devereux Meadows on the other side of the street. Imagine going up to that pedestal, having some sort of public experience, and then connecting to the sidewalk that takes you to the park.

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Unfortunately, that ship has sailed. It would have been nice to have an easy connection to Devereux meadows, but not it will be cut off due to traffic. A bridge/tunnel over/under Peace would be awesome, but I have a feeling we won’t see it during our lifetimes.

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Yes, and the proof that the height numbers are intended to discourage, rather than encourage, high-rise development in the real world is that the numbers are arbitrary above a certain level. The ratio of stories to max height is not consistent. It jumps all over the place, from 16.6’ per story for 3 stories, to 15’ per story for 5 stories, to 12.5’ per story for 40 stories. I might be mistaken, but I don’t think that’s close to being realistic for an office building, or even a mixed-use building such as PNC Plaza. It could only (maybe) be possible with pure residential or a hotel, and then without any spire, etc. So, without requesting a variance, it’s not even possible to build a 40 story pure office building in downtown Raleigh, even on Fayetteville St., in spite of the lip service to 40 stories in the ordinance. They’re essentially precluding any pure office building of more than roughly 30 stories plus some architectural features. Why impose a default limit in the core of your city that’s lower than what you already have (especially when it’s not particularly tall to begin with)?

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I’m not loving Peace, so far. Big box. Publix will help, & hopefully Phase 2 & 3 will tie it all together.

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Agreed, agreed, agreed with the arbitrary randomness of the ratios to the stories counts. I’ve been saying this since the very beginning of the UDO process and even made a public input comment about it back to the city. Needless to say, that comment and others went into a black hole as I only received the form letter response to each one.

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You’re probably right, but Peace did get lifted about 2-3 feet for larger culverts. Quite a few greenways transit through culverts so it’s not completely out of the question. No structures sit over the culvert south of Peace but it is indeed, buried. There isn’t much daylighting benefit for the stream unless buffers and BMPs are emplaced along it, so it’d just be like a San Antonio River Walk with no actual restaurants looking over the water…just a convenience path and perhaps a statement that streams are nice and we want to see them and not bury them.

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That is some serious dead sidewalk space.

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Seems they’re done busting up the concrete/asphalt and are excavating now. Dump trucks coming and going. Progress!

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Note the concrete still in place. That’s the top of the underground creek.

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It really is. IN other parts of NH Kane was always incorporating ground level retails. But there is this one area where he abandoned that plan with 2 parking garages and and office building.

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Wow that’s really clearing out fast. I wonder how long after ground prep before they can start pouring footers. There’s probably some lag between the demo / prep / construction steps.

That garage on the new stretch of Johnson St. is really an eyesore. Is that our finished product? I hope not, but I’m not holding my breath.

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I have faith that Kane will dress it up some. Remember he has phase 2’s views to think about. At least phase 2 will block it from my view.

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