# Raleigh and the Suburbs **URL:** \ **Category:** The Pub\ **Created:** [November 1, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691 "2018-11-01T19:44:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a9a28c/32.png) [@wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/wanderer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/62 "2021-12-08T03:13:53Z")
This was the closest thread I found for this and I wanted to know people’s opinion. I was surprised this was unanimously approved by the planning commission. In my opinion, approving projects like this contributes to sprawl. The only public transit out here would require a half mile walk along a highway. > **[Proposed apartment complex threatens Raleigh’s Horseshoe Farm Nature...](https://www.wral.com/proposed-apartment-complex-threatens-raleigh-s-horseshoe-farm-nature-preserve-critics-say/20022607/)** > > Environmentalists on Tuesday urged the Raleigh City Council to reject a proposal to build an apartment complex on Louisburg Road, saying it would adversely impact the nearby Horseshoe Farm Nature Preserve and the Neuse River. ---
**Author:** ![UncleJesse](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/df705f/32.png) [@UncleJesse](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/UncleJesse)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/63 "2021-12-08T03:34:48Z")
It does encourage sprawl but my guess is that it meets current zoning and will be approved…….unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/oakcityyimby)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/64 "2021-12-08T04:23:12Z")
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not ideal, but given that it’s very close to the 540/401 intersection, at least there’s some density vs just SFHs? That lot’s going to have something on it, the location is too convenient. ---
**Author:** ![ADUsSomeday](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/adussomeday/32/13944_2.png) [@ADUsSomeday](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ADUsSomeday)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/65 "2021-12-08T13:06:25Z")
I just ran across this video on VERY DIFFERENT ways that some European countries build suburbs. Building something 10% this big would be crazy different than what Raleigh does. [Alternatives to Sprawl: Case Studies in Building Better 'Burbs - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sA2LeHTIUI) Something I really liked about the video was the examples they kept showing of how much land a Median US development would have taken vs what these used. ![image](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/a/abea41499061605602766a5d23d127715068b712.jpeg) ![image](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/5/57ba229ce3538cb15b48a91e9f831e3822fdc520.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ADUsSomeday](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/adussomeday/32/13944_2.png) [@ADUsSomeday](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/ADUsSomeday)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/66 "2021-12-08T13:16:22Z")
Where do people think one of the city suburbs could be built in this area? The place that comes to mind for me is the commuter rail stop just southeast of Garner. Easiest place to get right next to transit without many homes there. I guess the next place that comes to mind is DTS. How will the planned density for DTS compare to one of these? ---
**Author:** ![Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/kanatenah/32/1380_2.png) [@Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Kanatenah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/67 "2021-12-08T13:39:16Z")
Triangle town center. ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/68 "2022-03-06T21:32:44Z")
I will try to spin this into a positive light, I promise. But first… . West Cary/Apex / Morrisville and all of the beautiful former farmland and woods of the greater green level area is the most atrocious suburb I’ve ever seen. You can drive for 20 minutes through this wasteland and see nothing more than Wash rinse repeat civil engineer playbook medium density residential with Cary’s signature extra spacious streetscape, and not see a single small business, convenience store, meaningful traffic calming measure, low impact development design, or really any venue of culture or community… My positive light is that I hope this residential wasteland shows people what not to build on the other sides of town. Unfortunately it’s too late for Eastern Chatham county… ---
**Author:** ![oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/oakcityyimby)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/69 "2022-03-06T23:01:44Z")
Apex does at least have a cute downtown and some lovely parks, but otherwise totally agree. Bland bland bland, and completely car dependent. ---
**Author:** ![Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/a88e4f/32.png) [@Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Yimbyforlife)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/70 "2022-03-06T23:04:00Z")
That why we need to be urban and let the suburbs do there own thing. Raleigh needs to centre itself. ---
**Author:** ![Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/kanatenah/32/1380_2.png) [@Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Kanatenah)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/71 "2022-03-06T23:52:06Z")
Most of north Raleigh is much the same. ---
**Author:** ![Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/a88e4f/32.png) [@Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Yimbyforlife)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/72 "2022-03-07T00:39:56Z")
We gotta stop doing that… make North Raleigh hip too. ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 1:39am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/73 "2022-03-07T01:39:55Z")
Most of Raleigh is suburban itself. In a way, it’s its own suburb. The city’s plan to create more urbanized nodes throughout the city is very important to its future solvency. ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/74 "2022-03-07T01:41:28Z")
I suppose the difference with North Raleigh is that it was developed much more incrementally. There are layers of uses, values, and densities in North Raleigh, whereas Western Wake and East Chatham were developed very rapidly in the last 20 years. I think North Raleigh has about a thousand times more nuance in the developmental fabric. ---
**Author:** ![Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/kanatenah/32/1380_2.png) [@Kanatenah](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Kanatenah)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/75 "2022-03-07T02:26:00Z")
Yeah I see what you are saying. Cary does have that polished, no blade of grass out of place feel to it. ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/76 "2022-03-07T02:44:38Z")
Very true. IMO, western Cary (beyond David Drive) is soulless and without a sense of place at all. It’s among my least favorite places to be, though others seem to love it. 🤷🏼‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 2:51am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/77 "2022-03-07T02:51:51Z")
The impetus for my post was a trip today to Diavolo disc golf course, one of the highest rated courses in the state. It’s a beautiful amenity that Cary absolutely knocked out of the park. To get there from Raleigh, I took 64 to Apex and weaved through Green Level. This 11 minute stretch is soul crushing… ![Screenshot_20220306-215035](https://d3tmycllq5yp1y.cloudfront.net/original/2X/b/b8007b2fbc134419c67e105710706eebfaff0257.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/a88e4f/32.png) [@Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Yimbyforlife)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 3:47am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/78 "2022-03-07T03:47:33Z")
And that’s why we need to be urban if I were to compare to you know who Austin their less urban. Now if we merge metropolitan which is set to happen next year we may have to be a lot more Urban. ---
**Author:** ![UncleJesse](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/df705f/32.png) [@UncleJesse](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/UncleJesse)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/79 "2022-03-07T12:40:42Z")
What?……………………………………… ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/80 "2022-03-07T13:02:16Z")
Can you please rewrite this reply? We are not sure what you are trying to say. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/a88e4f/32.png) [@Yimbyforlife](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Yimbyforlife)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691/81 "2022-03-07T15:48:46Z")
I’m saying we need to be a lot less surburban and less urban if you look at other cities like Austin. You’ll see the surburbaness is gone. Now if we are remerging Raleigh-Cary MSAs with Durham-Chapel Hills MSAs again. We need to be even more urban because well even have more chances of de associating ourselves with the surburbs. That’s we’ll to be able to really center ourselves as an urban area and just promote “Raleigh”. The only thing we’ll need the suburbs is regional stuff like transportation, airports, among other things. [Previous page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/raleigh-and-the-suburbs/691.md?page=5)