# Smoky Hollow Phases 1, 2, and 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** New Construction\ **Created:** [May 22, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29 "2018-05-22T16:10:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/oakcitydylan/32/169_2.png) [@OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakCityDylan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/822 "2019-04-22T14:17:02Z")
They aren’t going to generate a rendering until they know what they are generating a rendering for. Chicken/Egg. ---
**Author:** ![RobertSanderlin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/robertsanderlin/32/59_2.png) [@RobertSanderlin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/RobertSanderlin)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/823 "2019-04-22T14:19:07Z")
I noticed the below comments: “This request is consistent with the Future Land Use Map and consistent with the 2030 Comprehensive Plan overall.” Can or should we take anything from it? ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/drew/32/23896_2.png) [@Drew](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/824 "2019-04-22T14:21:26Z")
9am is tough for me to make on Tuesdays. Some encouraging things I picked up from the agenda. -This is a surprisingly pro-active approach by the city to begin this work. “The Devereux Meadows project is currently in the second stage of environmental analysis, which began in February, 2019. This stage is anticipated to last for approximately six months but is expected provide preliminary remediation findings prior to full completion of the stage. It is anticipated that design of the Devereux Meadows site will begin towards the end of this environmental analysis” -They also have plans to connect the new greenway system (Pigeon house branch) with Rocky branch via the Harrington St cycle track. “A future bicycle/pedestrian connection is planned to run from Devereux Meadows to Dorothea Dix Park, connecting the planned Pigeon House Greenway Trail and the existing Rocky Branch Greenway Trail. The alignment of this connection is currently undecided but may coincide with the planned Downtown Cycle Track on Harrington Street.” ---
**Author:** ![dtraleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/dtraleigh/32/32735_2.png) [@dtraleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/dtraleigh)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/825 "2019-04-22T14:24:20Z")
I’d love to attend but tough for me to step away, even when within walking distance. I’ll buy a beer to anyone who goes and can report back to this and/or future meetings. 🍻 ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/826 "2019-04-22T14:25:49Z")
Don’t worry that doesn’t mean the City Council beat down Kane only that Kane’s team is making an argument that the proposed height increase benefits Raleigh. Here: “COMPREHENSIVE PLAN Determination of the conformance of a proposed use or zone with the Comprehensive Plan includes consideration of the following questions: A. Is the proposal consistent with the vision, themes, and policies contained in the Comprehensive Plan? This request is consistent with the vision theme Expanding Housing Choices which promotes increasing the supply of housing throughout the city. This rezoning request will significantly increase the entitlement for residential units on the subject site. This request is consistent with the vision theme Managing Our Growth which calls for growth in locations that can support more intense land uses and create desirable places for people to live, work, and play. This rezoning request will bring a vertical mixed-use development with substantial entitlement for retail, office, and residential uses to a site with substantial roadway access in an urban street grid context. The site is also adjacent to a future 16-acre city park. The siting of this request has the potential to create a desirable place many future citizens of Raleigh to live, work, and play. This request is consistent with the vision theme Coordinating Land Use and Transportation which calls for locating high density mixed-use in areas with local and regional public transit services. The subject property is located between the two alternative routes for the northern Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Corridor: West Street and Capital Boulevard. While the Downtown Transportation Plan does not specify which of these routes will be used for the BRT service, the subject site is located between them and will have good access to the high frequency future service regardless of the selected alignment. B. Is the use being considered specifically designated on the Future Land Use Map in the area where its location is proposed? Yes. The use considered is Downtown Mixed Use zoning. The subject site is classified as Central Business District on the Future Land Use Map which recommends the Downtown Mixed Use zoning district. C. If the use is not specifically designated on the Future Land Use Map in the area where its location is proposed, is it needed to service such a planned use, or could it be established without adversely altering the recommended land use and character of the area? N/A Staff Evaluation 11 Z-3-19 Harrington and Peace D. Will community facilities and streets be available at City standards to serve the use proposed for the property? Yes. The site is bound by Capital Boulevard, Peace Street, Johnson Street, and Harrington Street, providing a transportation context of one-part US Highway, threeparts urban street grid. Future Land Use Future Land Use designation: Central Business District The rezoning request is Consistent with the Future Land Use Map. Inconsistent The request is for Downtown Mixed Use zoning. The subject site is classified as Central Business District on the Future Land Use Map which recommends the Downtown Mixed Use zoning district. Urban Form Urban Form designation: Downtown Center, Transit Emphasis Corridor The rezoning request is Consistent with the Urban Form Map. Inconsistent Other Overview: The Urban Form Map identifies the subject site within the Downtown Center and along a Transit Emphasis Corridor. Together, these designations recommend an Urban Frontage. Most of the subject site currently has the Shopfront (SH) frontage designation which is maintained in the requested zoning. The site frontage along Capital Boulevard and portions of the Johnson Street frontage do not have the Shopfront designation. In this location, Johnson Street is effectively the new off-ramp for Capital Boulevard which does not provide a suitable context for high pedestrian activity or a development pattern that would encourage pedestrian activity and therefore does not negatively impact consistency with Urban Form Guidance. Impact: The Shopfront designation is intended for areas where the highest level of walkability is desired and is structured to create a “main street” type of environment. It is also the “most urban” frontage type of the various designations. Compatibility: The Shopfront designation is compatible with neighboring properties and the general context of the area. Staff Evaluation 12 Z-3-19 Harrington and Peace Compatibility The proposed rezoning is Compatible with the property and surrounding area. Incompatible. The rezoning is compatible with the property and the surrounding area and can be established without adversely impacting neighboring properties. The existing lowslung structures in the vicinity of the subject site are office, institutional, and industrial buildings. These buildings are primarily used for non-residential purposed during the daytime hours. The size and scale of the proposed 40-story district will not have a negative impact on this non-residential area. Public Benefits of the Proposed Rezoning • Increased land use intensity in an urban area where Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) is planned will make the most of the regional investment in transit service. • Siting of high intensity land use adjacent to a future city park will maximize the city’s investment in recreational infrastructure. • Significantly increasing the residential entitlement in an urban area of the city with good access to transit and recreational amenities will allow for many new desirable dwellings. Detriments of the Proposed Rezoning • The significant increase in land use in an area of the city with multiple concurrent infrastructure improvement projects and other ongoing private development will create temporary inconveniences for automobile traffic, especially at peak commuting times.” ---
**Author:** ![OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/oakcitydylan/32/169_2.png) [@OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakCityDylan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/827 "2019-04-22T15:11:39Z")
The [Devereux Meadows Project](https://www.raleighnc.gov/parks/content/ParksRec/Articles/Projects/DevereuxMeadowsPark.html) page provides the following projected schedule: Summer 2020 - Spring 2021\_\_\_Construction Documentation and Permitting Fall 2021\_\_\_Construction (Likely first of multiple phases) ---
**Author:** ![OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/oakcitydylan/32/169_2.png) [@OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakCityDylan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/828 "2019-04-22T17:19:40Z")
BTW the Kane group is hoping for a Planning Commission vote tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![RobertSanderlin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/robertsanderlin/32/59_2.png) [@RobertSanderlin](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/RobertSanderlin)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/829 "2019-04-22T17:23:26Z")
> [@OakCityDylan](#): > > Planning Commission vote tomorrow I thought that it was just a review? Are they actually planning to vote? ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/830 "2019-04-22T17:42:36Z")
Hahahahahahahahahahahah That’s not going to happen. What’s going to happen is that the city council will drag this process out a few more times. They will need ‘time to process’. ---
**Author:** ![OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/oakcitydylan/32/169_2.png) [@OakCityDylan](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/OakCityDylan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/831 "2019-04-22T20:13:18Z")
Planning Commission vote comes before City Council. There’s no current expectation for when City Council would be voting for this. ---
**Author:** ![niko](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@niko](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/niko)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/832 "2019-04-23T01:07:15Z")
![image](https://community.dtraleigh.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8071ac9c6f78867f8ea89c3253f2134f28810523.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Tenkai](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/tenkai/32/2845_2.png) [@Tenkai](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Tenkai)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/833 "2019-04-23T14:31:58Z")
Massing model: ![772~2](https://community.dtraleigh.com/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b16e00eb40c9f228933da75ca6135e8ced9c8970.png) Sorry for the bad cellphone picture. ---
**Author:** ![scotchman](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/scotchman/32/3024_2.png) [@scotchman](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/scotchman)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/834 "2019-04-23T14:39:51Z")
Is this a proposal or just an example of what massing could look like? ---
**Author:** ![dtraleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/dtraleigh/32/32735_2.png) [@dtraleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/dtraleigh)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/835 "2019-04-23T14:42:11Z")
Hopefully that’s not ALL parking on the bottom there. 😬 ---
**Author:** ![PotentialRaleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/bc79bd/32.png) [@PotentialRaleigh](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/PotentialRaleigh)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/836 "2019-04-23T14:42:13Z")
I knew this was coming, but goodness, that huge parking podium is such a waste and we’ll be stuck with it essentially forever. I wish they would build the tower with no parking and build a separate deck next door with simple retail on the ground floor so that it could be more easily re-purposed in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Tenkai](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/tenkai/32/2845_2.png) [@Tenkai](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Tenkai)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/837 "2019-04-23T14:42:51Z")
I’ve got more notes about this, coming after I clean them up. ---
**Author:** ![nipper.dwight](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@nipper.dwight](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/nipper.dwight)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/838 "2019-04-23T14:44:31Z")
Smokey Hollow Phase Two has submitted building permits for a 9 story project ! ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/839 "2019-04-23T14:45:29Z")
Does look like 40 or so levels. This will be a huge building. At least 420 feet. ---
**Author:** ![MItoNC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@MItoNC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/MItoNC)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/840 "2019-04-23T14:45:33Z")
Couldn’t another tower be built in the future over the rest of the parking pedastal? It almost looks as if that’s the plan. Otherwise why not build a shorter tower but with a larger footprint to get the same useable space at likely less cost? ---
**Author:** ![Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/francisco/32/10233_2.png) [@Francisco](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/Francisco)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29/841 "2019-04-23T14:46:33Z")
Where will the required parking go. Haha Parking deck with a parking deck as a hat will be ultimate Raleigh meta. [Previous page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29.md?page=40) [Next page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/smoky-hollow-phases-1-2-and-3/29.md?page=42)