# Zoning and Density **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics\ **Created:** [December 24, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825 "2018-12-24T00:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![GucciLittlePig](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/guccilittlepig/32/25831_2.png) [@GucciLittlePig](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/GucciLittlePig)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/324 "2022-05-15T20:07:51Z")
Can I put a small log cabin / giant birdhouse in my front yard now without HOA approval? ---
**Author:** ![paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/paytonc/32/8502_2.png) [@paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/paytonc)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/325 "2022-05-15T22:53:07Z")
> [@GucciLittlePig](#): > > Can I put a small log cabin / giant birdhouse in my front yard now Yes, small log cabin / giant birdhouse is allowed No, not front yard - must be at least as set back as the existing house (hence JD’s strategy of moving the house) No, doesn’t overrule any HOA rules, though a surprising number of older subdivisions have seen HOAs expire Interestingly, moving houses used to be a very common way of making room for larger buildings in cities. Compare old Sanborn maps and you’ll find lots of examples. ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/326 "2022-05-16T02:18:55Z")
Or, you can just buy a really tiny house and build a really nice 1200 square footer in the back yard, then lease out the original house and live in the back of the property. I am guessing that the 1200 ft limit is indoor space. You can do a ton of decking and covered porches to extend the practical living area to live larger than 1200 ft would typically feel. ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/327 "2022-05-16T12:51:13Z")
Payton, Do you know what the required analysis was on city utility capacities regarding missing middle 2.0? In a hypothetical situation of a neighborhood nearly doubling in density and going from x number of bedrooms to 2x # of bedrooms on the same sewer / water lines, it could become necessary to upgrade pump stations, pipe diameters, etc. If there are existing neighborhoods that are nearly at capacity on sewer / water supply, it wouldn’t take many SFH \> triplex conversions to reach a tipping point. In theory, the assessments of the new dwelling units should help fund the Cap Improvements, and maybe there is an additional permit fee when increasing density within an older neighborhood that has aging infrastructure. I don’t know a ton about public utilities, but have an understanding based on some experience with a new subdivision in the exurbs. In our case, a regional pump station reached capacity and limited our future expansion capacity sans a big ($,$$$,$$$) overhaul. Thus our oversized pump station was moot. ---
**Author:** ![paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/paytonc/32/8502_2.png) [@paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/paytonc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/328 "2022-05-16T15:23:25Z")
The new [Biden-Harris Administration Housing Supply Action Plan](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/) that is **very** much in tune with what Raleigh just adopted. First item: “Reward jurisdictions that have reformed zoning and land-use policies with higher scores in certain federal grant processes, for the first time at scale.” Second item: “Deploy new financing mechanisms to build… manufactured housing… accessory dwelling units (ADUs), 2-4 unit properties, and smaller multifamily buildings.” (In CRE lingo, \<50 units is “smaller.”) As you may remember, the Triangle’s transit dreams have been thwarted multiple times by FTA’s formulas. But now US DOT will “reward jurisdictions that have put in place land-use policies to promote density and rural main street revitalization with higher scores in the grant process.” The 2023 administration budget proposal includes a “Housing Supply Fund… reward those that have already made reforms by giving them additional funding to boost the affordability and maximize the benefits of their new policies. This funding would also support broader housing development activities, including environmental planning and mitigation, road infrastructure, and water or sewer infrastructure.” > [@evan.j.bost](#): > > Do you know what the required analysis was on city utility capacities regarding missing middle 2.0? I’m not aware of any specific analysis done, but [evidence from elsewhere](https://www.edmonton.ca/sites/default/files/public-files/documents/FINAL_Drainage_Resource.pdf) indicates that the water/sewer impact is quite literally marginal. 1. Not every lot redevelops all at once 2. Newer/smaller houses use a lot less drinking water than older/larger ones, especially for irrigation and because of low-flow plumbing 3. Many of the near-suburban neighborhoods which will see redevelopment were built for larger populations but have seen population decline or plateau as kids move out & parents age 4. Part of site plan review is a sewer capacity analysis, if the sewer pipe out front is insufficient the developer may have to send new lines around the block to one that will suffice (I know because I’m having to do this) 5. The city is [constantly replacing and upgrading water/sewer lines](https://raleighnc.gov/projects/map), all across the city, all the time ---
**Author:** ![paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/paytonc/32/8502_2.png) [@paytonc](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/paytonc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/329 "2022-05-16T15:30:45Z")
> [@paytonc](#): > > The “Frequent Transit Development Option” is pretty ambitious: would allow townhouses and apartments in R-4 and R-6, with up to 54 DUA in R-10, 21 DUA in R-4. Was re-reading this last night, and hadn’t noticed this little provision which creates an optional inclusionary pathway: “A development site utilizing this option in a residential zoning district shall contain no more than twelve (12) residential units; however, a development site may contain additional residential units provided a number of units equal to at least twenty percent (20%) of the residential units over twelve (12) established within the development site shall be affordable for households earning sixty percent (60%) of the Area Median Income or less for a period of no less than 30 years” (There’s an equivalent bonus for RX/CX/OX/NX-3: they can go up to 5 stories with the same bonus percentage.) This effectively creates a 15-unit floor; for 14 units, 14-12 = 2 x 20% = 0.4 affordable units. ---
**Author:** ![evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/evan.j.bost/32/539_2.png) [@evan.j.bost](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/evan.j.bost)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/330 "2022-05-16T16:02:56Z")
Thank you! Although I like the federal gov stepping in to reward communities that are reforming land use/zoning policies in theory, I more line with the principal that municipalities need to create locally financially sustainable avenues for funding capital improvement. That should not be hard in an area growing as fast as we are ---
**Author:** ![sthomper](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@sthomper](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/sthomper)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/331 "2022-05-17T02:06:24Z")
i guess thats easy peasy? ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/332 "2022-05-21T18:05:09Z")
Yesterday I listened to a podcast on 99 percent invisible about Toronto and its missing middle housing that has both created a construction boom in the city’s center, but also has created extremely high housing costs and segregation. The podcast goes through Toronto’s zoning history back to the early 20th century and how it was a backlash to immigration. I had no idea that Toronto was a textbook example of lacking missing middle housing, and that they are still struggling with it today. Here’s a link to the web story and the podcast itself. If you have 45 minutes, it’s worth a listen if this is a topic that you care about. > **[The Missing Middle - 99% Invisible](https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-missing-middle/)** > > Downtown Toronto has a dense core of tall, glassy buildings along the waterfront of Lake Ontario. Outside of that, lots short single family homes sprawl out in every direction. Residents looking for something in between an expensive house and a condo... ---
**Author:** ![colbyjd3](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/colbyjd3/32/22565_2.png) [@colbyjd3](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/colbyjd3)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/333 "2022-05-23T15:09:36Z")
Love 99% Invisible, will definitely check this out. ---
**Author:** ![oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@oakcityyimby](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/oakcityyimby)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/334 "2022-05-26T15:35:16Z")
A look at the impact of the SFH ban and other housing reforms in Minneapolis: [How Important Was the Single-Family Housing Ban in Minneapolis?](https://www.governing.com/community/how-important-was-the-single-family-housing-ban-in-minneapolis) ---
**Author:** ![orulz](https://community.dtraleigh.com/user_avatar/community.dtraleigh.com/orulz/32/3808_2.png) [@orulz](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/orulz)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/335 "2022-05-26T16:11:51Z")
Single family housing ban- LOL it’s a single family ZONING ban, not single family HOUSING ban. Talk about misleading headlines ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/336 "2022-05-28T14:39:22Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/uJ1ePlln6VE/maxresdefault.jpg "Inside The Mind of Urbanism's Biggest Critic") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1ePlln6VE) Planning vs. anti-planning. ---
**Author:** ![sthomper](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@sthomper](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/sthomper)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/337 "2022-05-28T21:57:08Z")
a fun little video about 15 minute city concept tested in vancouver. [Suburbs vs mixed vs downtown in a cycling and pedestrian test of the "15-minute city" - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJpClwGqMeY) ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/338 "2022-05-31T02:43:52Z")
Yay! I live in a 15 minute city. 2 minute walk to convenience store #1 3 minute walk to convenience store #2 5 minute walk to Publix 7 minute walk to Broughton High 6 minute walk to Wiley Elementary 14 minute walk to Raleigh Charter 6 minute bike to WakeMed Urgent Care ---
**Author:** ![EllieB](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/2acd7d/32.png) [@EllieB](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/EllieB)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/339 "2022-05-31T13:19:57Z")
How bad is the health issue if you can ride your bike to urgent care? ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/340 "2022-05-31T13:59:17Z")
I didn’t make the rules. I’m just playing the game. Also, I can think of a variety of health issues that I could have and still ride a bike. ---
**Author:** ![wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a9a28c/32.png) [@wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/wanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/341 "2022-06-02T03:26:51Z")
There’s been different concepts of the 15 minute or 20 minute city. Some include 15-20 minutes via transit, bike, or walking. I don’t live in a 15 minute city by the concept of the video, but I do live in a 20 minute city including transit or bike. I’ll ride 30 minutes to get to Wegmans just to get in a little extra time for the exercise. I won’t do it everyday especially since I have closer grocery stores within 15 minutes, but I do it so that it counts towards my exercise goal per week. ---
**Author:** ![wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a9a28c/32.png) [@wanderer](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/wanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/342 "2022-06-12T01:28:24Z")
Was sent an Instagram link today about a house that was built on a very small lot. Thought people may enjoy it here: [Login • Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzDO2spg_B/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) ---
**Author:** ![John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.dtraleigh.com/u/John)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 3:27am UTC](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825/343 "2022-06-12T03:27:44Z")
I’m familiar with that house and that story. Super cool. [Previous page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825.md?page=16) [Next page](https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/zoning-and-density/825.md?page=18)