Yes, Hillsboro street with NC State is a Destination! Students who want to live close to campus have to live there. You are missing my point, New Bern Ave is not a destination. Nothing there except Wake Med which is halfway to Knightdale. Single family for blocks and blocks off of it. This is no Broad street. It’s New Bern and all that comes with it. High rises are not going to magically appear here. North Hills yes not here.
My crystal ball says that in 10 years there will be a massive mixed use, live work play style development between New Hope Rd. and 440 along New Bern, and it will already be accessible by BRT to downtown.
Imagine if there was already BRT running between DTS and Downtown, or Fenton and DT Cary…
Raleigh is To The Moon bro
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Having said that, it would likely be much more successful if there was BRT being built between DTR and North Hills up Atlantic to Six Forks.
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I do think that better service to North Raleigh would beget higher ridership there, but the proof is in the pudding: regardless of urban form, or high rises, or mixed use, the presence/absence of sidewalks, the supposed lack of “destinations” - New Bern Avenue is a proven corridor for transit ridership. And that means it’s likely one of the most promising corridors for ridership growth as well.
ps: @Boltman I don’t get discounting WakeMed as a destination because it’s “Halfway to Knightdale” - dude, it’s only three miles from downtown! Twice as far as NCSU, but closer than both North Hills and Crabtree. Not clear but some quick searching reveals that something like 7,000 (?) people work there, with over 10,000 employees across the entire WakeMed system.
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New Bern also where a Human Resources is at DMV, Wake Med etc. and not too far the board of elections. So a lot of black people and I’m sure Brown people need those facilites, in ofc Wakemed hospital. The only folks complaining white people who would let blacks in their neighborhood.
Not sure if you guys saw this.
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North hills area is full of people who would most likely drive to a destination within a 10 minute walking distance, let alone take a bus with people who aren’t as wealthy. North hills brt service is necessary but shouldn’t be first priority.
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Light rail same but worse because more expensive. Not a race thing as Colby is making it out to be. Just the opposite, BRT fares will be higher than regular bus. Hipster magnet not for the masses. No need to spend money on BRT or light rail just spend it on regular busses with better service, Quit trying to entice the privileged to ride the bus. Regular bus on New Bern not significantly faster than a BRT. Save the money and keep the busses free. For those with no car and truly need it .
I’m not sure the fares have been officially set yet, but I am reasonably sure, whenever it’s been discussed, they are supposed to be the same as the regular GoRaleigh bus.
I do think it’s a good question as to whether it wouldn’t be better to take the sales tax money we’re spending on BRT and just run more buses instead. But the fact is, the 50% federal match is a significant enticement to engage in capital projects like this. Having this much OPM at play does distort things, for sure!
It’s inevitable that New Bern Ave will become congested, so going ahead and getting the BRT built now, when it’s still feasible, is a good idea.
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You’ll never see upper-class people taking the bus or subway (if a city has that), and even in New York, you don’t won’t see that limo is their transportation. Trams are shiny tools for dense areas like they are.
But even New Bern will need a tram too, because of this BRT with the TODS, and the sav development. that won’t affect the poor, hen and at some point, if they get converted to a streetcar they’ll be no difference.
New Bern may become congested east of Wake Med but I just don’t see it from there to downtown. Already developed with single family, no big shopping centers and really just a tad of zoning for some higher density. I could go 75 down that street as I have seen some do.
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WakeMed has 5000 employees, NCSU has 9000. The SFHs along New Bern are ripe for redevelopment without displacing vulnerable renters, and rezoning underway.
And the Western BRT will follow just a few years after New Bern, creating a strong east-west axis.
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GoCary is surpassing pre-COVID levels. Granted it’s still fare free and there are now more routes, but it’s as high as it’s ever been. The agencies having trouble restoring ridership are those who catered to the 9-to-5 white collar demographic like GoTriangle, and commuter rail/large urban systems nationwide.
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That is why I wish we were planning our commuter rail for consistent, all day headways, rather than on-peak/off-peak. At least such a thing can be changed in the future.
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Last I checked NCSU was not on the BRT… there is a gas station or 3 there however.
i was told it was the equity that would make it worthwhile
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i also thought there are some county social services adjacent to wake med. i just thought a few extra busses and much nicer bus stop and perhaps signal priority might have been wiser until BIG density might hit new bern. longview for many years had rather static house values. now it has a few half a million or higher homes with big yards. I’m not sure what the commuting patters out of longview and country club neighborhood across the avenue are. I’m guessing a fair amount of social service seekers would be using the route and possibly health professionals living downtown.
There will be a BRT stop near the corner of Western & Avent Ferry, an intersection heavily traversed by NCSU students and staff.
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Yes, it is. It won’t be on the New Bern Av. route, but it’ll be on the Western Blvd. route (one of the other three/four routes that we’re expecting.)
In fact, the city has a whole set of policies on land use, including those specifically for the NC State campus area, that have legal standing thanks to past phases of BRT studies.
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