Five Points, East End Market, & Raleigh Iron Works

The parking deck has almost 700 parking spaces. Im sure some of it will be reserved for the apartments and officed, but I assume at least some of it will be available to the public.

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With respect y’all… The point of accessibility requirements, as I understand, is to do basically what’s happening here. To keep the business pressure built up toward solving the whole problem, not just 90% of it.

If we ditch ADA and build the 90% of pedestrians bridge, 90% of additional value has been captured with minimum effort. They will never go back for that last 10%.

Regulations and requirements exist to contradict those market forces and leverage that unrealized value into producing a solution that works for everyone.

And, frankly, if the design did not include any possibility for an accessible solution (which I doubt it’s literally humanly impossible, probably only expensive), I’d say nothing should be built. It’s kind of like not crossing the picket line. The regulation exists to inconvenience businesses who ignore disabled folks. Don’t let them off the hook. They failed to think it through, the project suffers for it.

I know that’s an extreme position, but as a friend of someone who requires a wheelchair for mobility, this is what I’m learning it means to actually care about accessibility. Without consequences nothing will change.

Now, off the soapbox, I can totally see the logic of just building a non-accessible bridge. That’s one way to reason about value, it’s a valid and market-driven way, it would be nice for me as an able-bodied person, I just think there’s better ways to assign value.

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Well, the federal, state, and local governments enforcing ADA requirements ignore the needs of disabled folks all the time. I couldn’t imagine being in a wheel chair in America, especially Raleigh, despite all the requirements.

The significant vertical difference between the west and east sides make a bridge link tough. Even a skyway link from an eastern side building to an at-grade landing on the western side would probably result in too low clearance over the road. Plus there are multiple overhead power lines along the west side.

The east-west corridor that is at a walkable grade is the Whitaker Mill intersection. Unfortunately neither quadrant’s site design delivers pedestrians to that intersection. And there are no pedestrian facilities along the northern side of Whitaker Mill once there.

A serious pedestrian crossing in that location and along that corridor is both doable and affordable.

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more glass, more red brick or mixed materials…that design seems off

Jaguar Bolera has expanded their plans and will now take 50k sq ft across RIW and Salvage Yard. The new addition will have everyone’s favorite activity, five indoor pickleball courts and a bar.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2023/08/23/raleigh-jaguar-bolera-pickleball-development.html

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While some may be excited for the Salvage Yard location having pickleball, I personally can’t wait for this:

The concept will also offer “maker-tainment” programs, including live classes of “naughty needlepoint”

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Ponysaurus is coming along. The framing is pretty much done, which is new from the last time a month ago I was over this way.

Also, Scott Crawford’s Brodeto previously had no work being done, but now seems to have floor and duct work getting started. If I run into him at Crawford and Son tonight, I’ll make sure to ask for an update. :wink:

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Salvage Yard overview rendering from Grubb. Curiously, the vantage point is from a development at 2319 Atlantic Ave which now appears to be owned by RIW (Raleigh Iron Works). And the image is titled “2nd FL View” :eyes:

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Isn’t the Salvage Yard to the South/Right side if facing RIW? This appears to be on the Loading Dock side of Atlantic and further North based on the parking deck mural

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Salvage Yard is north of Iron Works. Site I’m wondering about highlighted in red…

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The property between your highlight and Dock 1053 is also part of that. Owned by an llc with a notice address at Grubb Ventires

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Ah I see. Also here’s Grubb’s “district map.” 7 acres combined is a lot to work with here!

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NEED SIDEWALKS ON ATLANTIC NOW PLZ :grimacing: :neutral_face:

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Showing a continued need for that bridge :eyes:

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If they put a 5 over 1 apartment building at that 2515 /2519 Atlantic site (adding like 600-700 units?) then a pedestrian bridge should be an absolute requirement.

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The more I think about it the more I think they’ll just pivot to make Wicker Drive a signalised intersection and link up that property with the north end of the Dock 153 space.

The grade difference between west and east sides of Atlantic is huge and Dock 1053 would need to eat parking that they don’t have in order to accommodate the bridge. And the only way to make a bridge ADA compliant in that location would be an elevator tower, which sounds like a lot for something that only maybe adds indirect customer accessibility.

Dock 1053 parking lot is already 12 feet higher than Atlantic so you don’t really need to lose any parking on that side unless you want to take 1 or 2 away for a crosswalk through the parking lot. And on the RIW side, you could have a ramp and stairs down between the road and the buildings (no active frontage that would be blocked there anyway). Yea maybe not needed if added / improved street crossings, but just saying it’s not really all that hard to work up.

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Mixed use 5-7 stories across 2315, 2319 would be epic…considering they got that 20 story upzoning across the way at RIW, looks like they get to build their own damn pipeline… :grin:

I wish 24 39 Stories high rise