GoRaleigh Bus System, now and the future

Council passed CP-4-21 last night, with no public comments.
https://go.boarddocs.com/nc/raleigh/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=C86TUV791EC4
Text change to the comprehensive plan which revises the Future Land Use categories of “low density residential” and “moderate density residential” (which cover much of the city’s area) to remove references to strict units-per-acre density.

More importantly for this thread, it says that “RX” apartment districts are appropriate in Low Scale Residential near BRT, and in any Moderate Scale Residential area. The city won’t proactively rezone these, but it provides firm ground if a developer asks for a rezoning.

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Why not? If the city has the reasons to do it (and they clearly have the power to initiate their own zoning changes), why aren’t they doing this?

I think people mentioned the electric bus and I caught it while out on a walk. Glad to see these out there.

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Not sure this goes here - we have so many threads going. I am surprised no one posted this yet. The conversion of Capital Blvd to a freeway is back on the table. I do recall a length discussion about it here, but can’t recall where.
Anyhoo, here is the link from the hometown fish wrapper.

https://www.newsobserver.com/article256335142.html

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I don’t think the part North of I-540 was ever off the table. I think NCDOT funding delays just got to it for a few years.

South of I-540 there’s plans / talks of a Hybrid expressway sort of thing

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Crazy expensive to just help Wake Forest sprawl. The things we could do with $800,000,000!

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Yes, the article (which I think is pay walled) talked how it got indefinitely postponed due to the money crunch, but they were able to get it back on the table. That is the north of 540 stretch. There is going to be a public meeting about this proposal. When I finish this stack of blue books I’ll try to pull that piece out for those of y’all interested in that.

I’m super conflicted on this one. I used to live in Wake Forest, and that whole stretch of Capital Blvd has to be one of the most dangerous roads I’ve ever driven on. Seems like there was a wreck at one of those lights every other day. Grade separation seems like a good idea in that regard.

On the flip side, eight lanes all the way to Wake Forest is ridiculous, especially with the S-Line project in the works. Adding capacity to Capital Blvd is going to actively discourage use of the Apex-Franklinton commuter rail. NCDOT can’t have it both ways; they have to decide which mode is actually a priority.

It’s been brought to my attention before on this site that commuter rail generally isn’t going to take existing drivers off the road; it’s more intended for future growth. Following that logic, the goal of widening Capital Blvd would then be to bring more folks who prefer driving into Wake Forest. Like James said, it encourages sprawl. Alternatively, we could introduce new rail service paired with TOD to instead attract folks who would consider such a service. Which is more forward-thinking?

So sure, maybe reconfigure a couple of these intersections for safety purposes. This stretch of Capital Blvd, unfortunately, is too far gone to ever be anything but an expressway. But widening is going to compete directly with the S-Line and is such a wasteful effort. Such a predictable but frustrating move by NCDOT.

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I don’t see many happy endings with either of the outcomes based on the video in the article. One option says taking away a big chunk of Crossroads Ford’s land vs 12 houses get demolished.

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My gosh, these first-year US History survey exam books are awful, lol.
Here are the public meeting paragraphs for those of you who want to attend or comment:

“Thursday’s virtual public meeting will begin at 6 p.m. People can register to participate online at www.ncdot.gov/projects/capital-boulevard-upgrade/, where they’ll also find links to maps showing the plans. People may also listen to the presentation by phone by calling 415-930-5321 and entering pin number 268-435-629. NCDOT will accept written comments by email at capital-boulevard-upgrade@publicinput.com or by U.S mail to Terry Farr, NCDOT Project Management Unit, 1582 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC, 27699-1582.”

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/article256335142.html#storylink=cpy

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Other than helping Wake Forest sprawl, I do think it would speed the drive north to I -85 which could be a big help for Raleigh connecting northward toward DC.

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Fair, but S-Line upgrades are projected to reduce rail travel time between Raleigh and DC to about 4.5hrs. That’s competitive with driving assuming you won’t hit traffic, but I usually budget about five hours if I’m driving to DC. A vast majority of the problems that NCDOT is trying to address with Capital Blvd upgrades can be dealt with more cheaply and efficiently through the S-Line. It’s insane to me that they’re simultaneously working on two projects that directly compete with each other and throwing way more money at the less efficient of the two.

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I saw the survey on that expressway and was sad to see there was no option of “none of the above”. I’m not completely against building a highway road up there but yes 4 lanes is completely ridiculous. If you need 4 lanes in a city that small, then clearly you need to look for other alternatives.

Now if there was a carpool lane which requires 3 or more passengers, then I am all for that as well.

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I’m 95% sure this project was originally being developed as a six-lane freeway, not 8 lanes. The most disappointing thing about the Cooper administration has been the lack of action on reshaping NCDOT’s leadership and priorities.

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What could possibly go wrong by exploding Wake Forest with tens of thousands of new residents and then speeding them down a new freeway to terminate at Capital Boulevard? If we think Capital is clogged today, just wait.

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8 lanes good grief! That will just lead to even more sprawl.

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Here’s something noteworthy… looks like RTA is inviting local leaders travel with them to South Florida next month to take tours of some local transit infrastructure and projects. It looks like their primary focus will be Brightline, but they’ll also be checking out some local bus rapid transit, linear parks, and last mile solutions. I wouldn’t say South Florida is necessarily my ideal model for regional development, but I’m intrigued by Miami’s SMART Plan and have also been (mostly) impressed with Brightline.

Biggest benefit I see from this trip: Brightline currently runs hourly pretty much all day. I’m hoping the Brightline folks really drive home the idea that consistent headways drive ridership. But on that note, I found this blurb while digging around on RTA’s Priorities page (emphasis mine):

There will naturally be different pictures as what an initial and future regional commuter rail investment could or “should” look like. Much of those variations relate to tradeoffs as to the numbers and locations of stations, the amount of new track infrastructure, how often trains arrive throughout the day, and so on.

The regional business community recognizes that commuter rail is expensive and that equity is a major consideration, and we also note its significant upside potential in terms of reliable connectivity for our increasingly spread-out region. As this is a transformational, multigenerational investment with multi-billion dollar capital and multi-million dollar operating costs, our community needs to understand what it wants, what it needs, what it can afford, and perhaps what it can wait on.

Conclusion: over the past couple of years, I’ve seen RTA slowly shift towards a multimodal emphasis (versus their previous stance of “bigger highways and maybe some transit here and there”). That’s promising, especially since they seem to have a lot of sway around here. That being said, I think they, like GoTriangle, are also leaning towards this concept of “let’s just get commuter rail built, then we can worry about increasing frequencies.” I get the spirit of it, but I’m fearful that, if we don’t end up hitting ridership projections, we’ll have trouble getting additional funding for more trainsets and staffing, and commuter rail will begin a death spiral before it really even gets off the ground.

There are really only three ways to guarantee ridership on rail projects: speed, reliability, and TOD. You need all three to compete with driving, but current planned headways are going to cause trouble on the reliability front. We’ll see what happens.

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Looks like the text change for transit street standards is now available for public comment. Pretty straight-forward stuff, but it’s still wild to see something like this on the brink of becoming city code.

A couple things I’ve noticed in the text:

  1. Trees are a requirement. Specifically, four per one hundred linear feet. This invalidates one of the many complaints that Livable Raleigh has thrown out there about the New Bern corridor.
  2. There’s a minimum parking setback of thirty feet, and no parking will be allowed between the building and the street.

Great stuff.

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Absolutely beautiful! Can’t wait to see this implemented! Anybody have any downsides to this idea? Only one I can think of (that some would say) is that it is taking car lanes away, which is exactly why I would support it :P.

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Not enough protection for peds vs cars would be my only concern. Not sure if there’s a better plan for that and it’s just not in the rendering.