Codeword black people. Plain and simple I’m sure he’ll re-propose soon. But not after we do what we have to do.
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Yup, super sucks that we won’t get Kane money for it but it’s still in the GoTriangle/Wake County plan so I figure it’s going to happen at some point.
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Is there some citation or article you can back this up with?
This city and state are irreparably incompetent and broken and our sides needs someone with the will of a Robert Moses. Not the racist, anti-transit parts but the “do what I want or I smash your feet into goo” part.
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It was a recent rezoning where Kane wanted extra height for the original NH area where the surface parking currently is. He was going to pony up money for a transit center and a new fire station. I’m sure there are articles on it somewhere. And was discussed a good bit on this site under the “Raleigh are malls” thread.
The NIMBY comments about he fire station and transit center from Nextdoor. Where at least some people expressed those ‘concerns’. Though I’m sure it varies across the board.
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This city is so doomed and hopelessly beyond repair.
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We just have to vote non LR candidates next year.
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Sometimes I look at Google Maps and feel that way. We have some serious challenges that are not going to be solved without fighting serious inertia. The most insane unfixable road network. A Federal Transit Authority that maliciously wants us to rot in our cars. A state government that is often actively hostile to cities. A coalition of Karens fighting to keep rail out of our universities, buses away from our central business districts, and shadows safely far away from their historic house they bought in the 60’s for 30k. There are also a lot of people that just love driving cars, and eating out at Olive Garden, Red Robins. They want to make sure their kids suffer eternal boredom and depression being too far away to ever visit friends and having total dependency on their parents to shuttle them around.
It’s tough.
Many other cities around the country are in a similar pickle. Many have stopped growing so they’re locked into whatever they’ve built up till now. Some have a climate problem and are going to be underwater, or out of water, depending. Raleigh may be the last major US city to still have most of the growth of its life still ahead of it, which is scary but also an interesting path.
The path is tough but we will fight and make it as good as we can. There are many urbanists out there. We are the silent majority. And we will have our day. Hang in there.
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Why are we the SILENT majority? A MAJORITY never should be SILENT.
Its time to crash and sabotage Livable Raleigh meetings and be an eternal boil on their rears.
Its time to make those Karens feel as low as Tricia Cotham.
The good people of this state have zero will to fight. Zero. If we actually fought and were vocal this place wouldn’t be a complacent, overrated pit of a region.
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Say it louder for the back, time to take Raleigh back!
i can get aboard with this. my mon used to commute from wingate to the library for the blind on capital…on several summer evenings the blind gal had to sprint down wingate to get home, soaking wet with lightning…a covered stop at any place is welcomed.
Leo, I’d be curious if there’s any update as to when GoRaleigh’s planned route 9 Hillsborough St is to begin operation. It’s been budgeted for the current fiscal year believe, not sure if ongoing driver shortages have impacted this. For such a major thoroughfare, there is no single bus route that services its entire length, with both GoRaleigh routes 4 and 12 diverting off of it and only overlapping in front of NC State. GoTriangle route 100 actually comes closest to serving the full length but as a regional route does not service all stops.
It’s definitely been delayed. They approved the route earlier this month so I’m hoping that means we’re getting there. You can see the discussion on the RTA meeting video from the Aug 10 meeting.
I DM’d GoRaleigh about this a month or two ago and they said the plan is January 2024. They also said they’ll bring back the R-line then they have enough drivers.
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I’m still wondering when they’re gonna rebuild the 6 like they were supposed to in Jan ‘22. You can see the funding schedule for it in planning documents, but zero other references to it anywhere.
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If commuter rail is no longer an option, how will this effect (negatively or positively) BRT?
The first one off the top of my head is we no longer have to work toward appeasing Durham City or County as cooperation is also no longer required?
What about any financial hits or availability? 
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good research material for transit services here
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i didnt know how much theoretical funding info is available with raleigh concerning bus transit. but say if you made every route existing now, with 10-minute peak service frequency, and then 15 or 30-minute off peak service depending on a ridership number - say from 530am to 900am and 1600 to 1900 as peak and everything else off peak until 11pm or so, how would that compare in regards to brt spending while perhaps truly getting more overall transit ridership? i ask as an aquatinance recently was in Germany, living in roanoke va and stated that as he saw it, you didn’t really need a car there.
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maybe somehere in the amount of 7 percent plus trips by transit? i have no proper info on this.
Where at in Germany? I recently got back Friday (pictures to come; I will post the reference link here after I go through photos).
The advantage of BRT is that the bus gets the dedicated lane and you get the advantage of bypassing traffic which I don’t really think exists that much, but I haven’t driven on New Bern during peak traffic. I believe Raleigh is using BRT instead of using a light rail line; More than likely because it’s cheaper and easier to implement.
I’ve used the bus plenty of times before I bought an ebike. When using the bus, I would have been happy with 30 minute frequency. I think 30 minute frequency is reasonable in a lot of areas. You can’t really expect 15 minute frequency in less dense areas. When I was in Germany, I stayed in a little town between Hamburg and Bad Segeberg. The bus came on a 30 minute basis during peak time but an hour off peak.
There are more things that go into transit demand outside of frequency. You also have to keep in mind that the gas in Germany, as well as the cost of getting a driver’s license, is way more expensive. The cheapest gas I saw was $1.67/liter which is about $6.32/gal. Besides the prices, the A1 (the highway) between Hamburg (pop. 1.841 million) and Lübeck (pop. 217,198k) is typically about 3 lanes wide. The same with the A7 (the highway). I think it might get to 4 lanes in maybe a couple of sections. Contrast that with Raleigh which has 5 lanes on I-40 heading towards Durham, Capital Blvd which has 4 lanes not counting turn lanes, 5 lanes on I-40 heading south towards Garner, it’s definitely easy to see why people would drive; It’s easy to travel a very far distance for a short period of time. NCDOT also encourages this behavior by widening lanes instead of looking at implementing transit.
Increasing the bus frequency in other places will definitely be beneficial. Increased frequency will hopefully be here once day. I’ve been looking forward to increased frequency since 2020 (previous post link here from this thread). It was an actual reason why I chose to move near Crabtree. According to the latest transit plan (Click here page 60), the proposed start date was August 2023. It’s still not here and I would more than likely continue to use the ebike anyway over taking the bus.
Door to door, and if Crabtree Creek trail under 440 would remain open, it would take me about 26-27 mins to get to work. Now it takes me about 30-35 depending on lights and route which still isn’t bad on the ebike. I’ve just been super annoyed because I liked switching it up between my ebike and the regular bike. Those additional minutes also do make a difference on a bike.
If I use the bus, I have a 10 minute walk to the bus stop at Crabtree. I also add in about 5 mins just to make sure that I don’t actually miss the bus. Once I get to the GoRaleigh Station (30 minute bus ride), which is everyone’s favorite station, it takes an additional 10 minutes to walk to work. Add all that in and it takes about 50 minutes to get to work compared to the worst case 35 minutes I currently deal with. The only advantage might be the rain, but I’ve been ok riding in it.
Those are just my thoughts on the whole BRT vs increased frequency in other areas. I just wanted to talk about it mainly because I’ve been wanting increased frequency for so long and still haven’t gotten it. I also saw the mention of Germany which also made me more inclined to respond. There’s a chance we may be moving out that way. My in-laws are out there amongst other reasons.
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Aside from my post which also tended to be long, I did want to bring up that I got an email from GoRaleigh that mentions that routes are going back in full service. Here’s a link to the News from the site: GoRaleigh returns to full service on January 14, 2024 | GoRaleigh
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