Holiday Inn and New Kimpton Hotel

And future generations will probably be saying the same thing about the copy and paste designs of tomorrow. What American cities are building right now is what’s feasible and affordable. That’s why five-over-ones are so popular. And some of the buildings going up right now will eventually go away, and people will complain, and the cycle continues.

Quick little sidebar on that subject: NYC’s beautiful brownstones were actually pretty controversial when they started being built. At the time, the material was abundant and cheap in the Tri-State region, so it was popular among the middle class. However, a lot of people thought the brown color was hideous and redundant, and the stone itself was apparently rather weak and tended to crumble (most remaining brownstones are believed to have been resurfaced with a cement-based composite). All that to say, what’s “copy and paste” now could be iconic tomorrow, or it may not be, but in both cases, developers were/are doing what’s both affordable and feasible in the existing market.

The reality is that Raleigh needs to try to keep up with the growth of the region, and the Holiday Inn, as it exists today, is terrible land use on prime real estate. If it has historical or architectural significance beyond just “it looks different,” then that would justify preservation… but it just doesn’t. It’s an odd building that didn’t age gracefully, and, at this point, it’s probably the worst hotel experience in downtown (not to say it’s necessarily a bad experience, but I highly doubt it’s on par with any of its competition).

So the options become: keep it as is and let it continue to age and deteriorate, spend a comical amount of money to gut the whole thing and attempt to modernize it, or replace it altogether. The first two only make sense if it can either compete with neighboring hotels or if it becomes a legitimate tourist attraction, and I don’t think either of those are attainable, so the clear choice becomes replacement.

[Edit: minor phrasing change for grammar purposes.]

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having some legacy portion of the new architecture would be neat though.

I’ll settle for just some interesting architecture. The renderings don’t feel worthy of the hotel brand in my opinion, and they shouldn’t be good enough for the city either.

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Yes, if they would just demand Better they would most likely get better. Just ask!

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Soil testing underway on empty lot

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I wonder how till demolition then. :crossed_fingers:

I saw that also today. When soil testing is done does it mean anything is imminent?

Yes and no, all but the Nash square lot have seen action within the next couple months of this process.

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Is groundbreaking happing

The ground has already been broken. There’s a whole building there already…

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So they are going to break it twice? Is that even safe?

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I was thinking it would be imploded.

It will be but not in the near future. I think it’s at least a year out?

Nah they should pack it full of dynamite and blow it up to see how far away the pieces land.

Someone (not me) should call the hotel and see how far out they’re still taking reservations for.

The last date the website has available is June 10, 2023. It’s common for hotels to not take bookings more than a year or so maybe the website hasn’t updated, or that’s their target end date.

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Or they don’t know themselves really but will cancel reservations later if needed. I booked a hotel in NYC right before the pandemic, had to cancel obviously, and then rebooked a year later. Apparently they closed during it and planned to reopen, but ended up not. I got a form email the week before my rebooked stay, letting me know they cancelled my reservation.

Just a pic of our Ugly Duckling on this sunny day.

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