I remember writing about that lawsuit for the High Point Enterprise 20 years ago. It ended up going all the way to the Supreme Court!
Coincidentally, that was around the time there was a big hullabaloo over the name of the Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point Combined Statistical Area. I don’t remember exactly, but I think the Census Bureau wanted to remove High Point from the name, and people in High Point freaked, and obviously whatever happened, they’re still part of the name. People take this stuff very seriously!
such pettiness!
Didn’t Cary’s name appear and then disappear from the Raleigh MSA designation (or something like that)? Never heard a peep of them complaining.
Here’s an interesting annexation agreement map among Wake County’s municipalities. It gives you a visual representation of each city’s population potential. Of course, this doesn’t include redevelopment of existing land to something more dense and populated. http://www.wakegov.com/planning/maps/Documents/Agreement%20bndry%20Index%20map.pdf
It’s about the same thing as downtown Raleigh. Our building address is in 27601, but our mailing address is a PO Box 27602 because that Post Office does not deliver mail. Morrisville delivers the mail in that area, but there is actually a PO Box set up for RDU with a Raleigh PO number ( Raleigh-Durham Airport Authority Offices P.O. Box 80001, RDU Airport, NC 27623)
What are your thoughts on the non-urban areas?
Who/city or may county gov “controls” what goes there?
And if you have people there, who gets to count them?
Well, I can have thoughts, but they don’t mean much because I’m not an expert on policy, process, government, etc.
I’m just sharing the information.
If I had to put forward my best guess, I would suppose that there’s some sort of agreement that the Falls Lake watershed won’t become annexed by any municipality (neither Raleigh nor Wake Forest), and I suppose that the “hole” south of Raleigh is somehow linked to Lake Wheeler, but I don’t know.
As for NE Wake, I have no guess about that one.
South of Raleigh is the Swift Creek watershed area. The area in east Wake County is the Little River reservoir which will one day be our next water supply source. The ones in southwest Wake are a combination of Jordan Lake and Harris Lake (Shearon Harris). They will not be annexed and there are interlocal agreements among the various parties. All of these are in Wake County jurisdiction.
So the question now is since there are homes that exist in those “areas” whom claims those numbers if anyone/city? Or no city not city taxes, just county?
cool map. only a matter of time before Cary has Mo’ville surrounded and then swallows it whole!
Whaddya bet there’s a competition for that large “non urban area” donut hole between Cary/Garner/FV/Raleigh currently no man’s land.
And regarding the addresses vs jurisdictions, there are a TON of Cary area addresses physically, with an Apex mailing address…very confusing. Makes Apex seem way bigger than it is, especially on the far Eastern reaches of it along Ten Ten. Weird
When you look at the map, it’s easy to see why Cary is now pursuing more urban/infill type projects as their opportunity for suburban expansion quickly evaporates in Wake County. When you look at all of the opportunity for expansion in Holly Springs, Fuquay-Varina, Apex, and Garner, it’s not hard to imagine them all over 100,000 in the future.
From reading past news articles and listening to Cary planning staff (not politicians) it is my believe that Cary intends to move west into Chatham County. And especially if they can get the US-64 route upgraded soon by NCDOT.
Wow. The Chatham/Cary joint land use plan covers over 28 square miles. @ just 3000 ppl/m2, that’s more potential population than currently exists in Chatham Co. today.
Almost all of the Cary part of Chatham County is within the Jordan Lake drinking-water protection area. So although it’s 18,000 acres, 81% is super low density (<1 house/acre) or open space; <3% is eligible to be developed at even suburban densities. The adopted land use map would permit a maximum of 15,000 units across the entire expanse.
Similar low-density restrictions apply around Falls Lake (from Strickland Road up into Franklin County), in the Swift Creek (=Lake Wheeler/Lake Benson) area, and as mentioned around a future reservoir between Rolesville and Zebulon. These remove a fair amount of land from Wake’s ultimate urban area; I’d note that Mecklenburg doesn’t have nearly as much watershed land, because much of the Lake Norman watershed is north & west of the county.
Water quality is a good cause, but I’d at least like to see some more flexibility to permit clustered development. There’s a lot of ugly, large-lot sprawl in these areas, and houses with 4-car garages aren’t doing much to limit impervious surface or lawn chemicals.
