We got lucky with the Whalers being in a stagnating small market and a new owner with no ties to Hartford. And while I like to attribute much of our good fortune in the 90s to being named Money Magazine Best Place to Live, NC State already in the process of building an arena was probably the actual tipping point.
I’m going to ask a dumb question here but I’m assuming Apex is considered part of the Raleigh-Cary MSA correct? If so, then most definitely, the Raleigh-Wake population growth will continue to carry these sorts of numbers. Apex has an internal development report that has some population growth estimates anyone can view. They are assuming there’ll be over 100k people out here by the end of the decade which is pretty wild considering they were around 55k people in 2020.
5 Likes
Apex is definitely in the Raleigh-Cary MSA (all Wake County municipalities are) and yes, they are booming. This was in the TBJ just this morning: https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2022/12/19/lennar-apex-community-new-homes-retail-school.html
5 Likes
Yep I’m familiar with the development from the article (Depot 499). It’s right where Old US 1/Salem Street bridge goes over 540. I thought everything was already signed off on as they’ve been clearing the land out there for months now. That development will be directly across the big new Apex park that should be opening any day now.
The new school, Pleasant Plains Elementary, was one of the schools getting funding that everyone voted on as a bond referendum back in November.
1 Like
Expect Wake to be over 1.3m by the end of the decade. If things real catch fire, 1.4M isn’t out of the question.
7 Likes
Apex just recently completed their first annexation into Chatham County. It’s the northeast corner of the US 64 and NC 751 Hwy intersection.
3 Likes
I thought both Cary and Apex had some spillover into Chatham.
1 Like
As of March 2022 they both do now. Used to be just Cary. Cary also goes into Durham County (up by RDU).
3 Likes
I think Cary has had spillover into Chatham long before Apex has. There was a previously announced Coca Cola facility going in at the intersection at 64/751 earlier this year on the Chatham side. They recently announced another ‘Gateway’ project in the same area too that’s separate but also in the Chatham County side. I think, as @TedF pointed out, this is the first time Apex crossed over into Chatham.
1 Like
6 posts were merged into an existing topic: Raleigh Stadium/Arena/Sports Discussions
Statewide Census estimates are out and NC gained the 3rd most people between midyear 21 and 22. At 133K and change, only TX and FL added more people. I wonder how much of that number came to Wake and the Triangle? My guess is that Wake has now topped 1,170,000.
8 Likes
Well Wake gained around 16.6% of NC’s 2021 gain. So the same share this time would have us at around 1,172,000.
If the Triangle captured the same amount as 2021’s growth (around 30%), we’d have a CSA population of 2,185,000.
6 Likes
The OMB has released their 2020 Urbanized Area data. Hopefully not an ominous sign for MSA reunification of Raleigh and Durham, but they are still reporting the UA data with Raleigh and Durham separate. In any case, here’s a run down of how the area landed.
Raleigh: 1,106,646
That’s up 221,755 from 2010 and up 543,489 since 2000.
Durham: 396,118
That’s up 48,347 from 2010 and up 108,771 since 2000.
Creedmoor: 7482 (new UA for 2020)
Clayton: 51,898 (New UA for 2020)
Raleigh alone is sitting at #43 and sandwiched between Nashville and Richmond
Some observations:
- FWIW, the OMB also sliced Charlotte and Nashville into different UAs that include areas that were previously included in their MSA.
- Richmond’s UA seems to be all inclusive of their MSA. This means that their UA number actually elevates them to the highest possible ranking when compared to other cities. Raleigh, Charlotte, and Nashville all appear smaller in the list due to adjacent UAs that are reported separately.
- Raleigh alone passed Richmond and some other UAs during the 2010s & will likely pick off Nashville sometime this decade.
- This is another data point that the Triangle’s growth continues to largely be carried on Raleigh’s back.
17 Likes
More like Cary, Apex, and other Wake county towns. Raleigh itself not so much.
Oh please. Raleigh proper grew more in the 2010s than the entire Durham UA in the same time period.
8 Likes
So could this effect the merger?
1 Like
Raleigh proper grew 15.7% from 2010 to 2020. Durham grew over 24% from same time period . That’s why I stated the faster growth in the Raleigh MSA is coming from other Wake county cities and Johnston county rather than Raleigh.
Percentages are one thing, what are the raw or actual numbers?
Again I even state the raw numbers of the other Wake county towns and Johnston county population growth is greater than the city of Raleigh during the same time period. I don’t know where or why Durham came into the conversation before.
Raleigh itself only grew a little over 60,000 people from 2010 to 2020. Cary and Apex alone added about the same during the same time period. Therefore, the growth in this MSA is mainly coming from other areas outside of Raleigh.