Raleigh-area Mall / Life-Style Center / RTP Redevelopments

oops got my W’s mixed up.

Speaking of mall redevelopment, anyone know status of Carbtree remake. Seems they announced it and then went silent.

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Proposed By DeWitt bordering St Albans /Benson and North Hills

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I drove through there yesterday and thought, Wow, I wonder when these woods will get developed!

I am not sure how I feel about a private developer building competition for the convention center. I’m guessing that it will be a smaller venue, but who knows?

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All I can say right now is WOW oh WOW :exploding_head: Do not seen any dates on building, anyone have insight into when may start.

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I wouldn’t hold too much weight in this project. I consider this 1B build-out on the same level realistically as Downtown South. Dewitt has been promoting this project for almost 5 years. I attended their original presentation to the Midtown CAC years ago. All ambitious goals at this point is how I view this.

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This is the site where the tavern used to be where they decided on the location of Raleigh.

At one point I saw plans to make this into SFH lots. I’m glad this is coming. I live in the neighborhood right near there. Waiting on the Nimby’s in Nextdoor get in a tissy! Oh the traffic!

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Lots of Hotels have what they call convention centers. Mainly for ones where attendees can stay in hotel and use center for meetings, such as corporate gatherings, presentations and even mass training sessions. I went to lots of those during my consulting days. Not much completion for large standalone centers.

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The quote I continued to hear at the Midtown CAC meetings were “I bought this property because of the Woods on St. Albans”

But in all honestly St. Albans will need improvements to service these developments. If you’ve ever hit the stop sign at Hardimont Rd around 5pm you know what I’m talking about.

Idk, the last line of the article tends to make me more optimistic: “Dewitt Carolinas has developed more than 200 projects across the Carolinas over the past two decades.”

Then why did this person not buy this property? :thinking: If I buy a house I don’t expect my neighbors to tell me want to do with it.

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Yeah, I live over here and have purchased properties with the idea that there would be some price convergence with North Hills proper long-term.

That intersection at Hardimont and St. Albans should be upgraded to a roundabout.

Anyone know where they are with their financing or who is providing capital markets support?

If anyone could figure out how to photoshop this image with an image of the North Hills East future developments, I’m sure everyone on here would be grateful to see what the future could hold for “MiDtOwN” lol

We seriously need to make Wegmans Raleigh’s central transit hub LOL.
This whole area is going to be a nightmare with no light rail, and not even BRT on the books…

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Years 2028-2030 of the Wake Transit Plan will be scoped soon and I have to imagine this area is going to get a hard look at expanded service, maybe even a fixed-guideway like BRT. This won’t be built out before then, anyway.

Kane/Dewitt should collab on a “MiDtOwN” tram/monorail. It would only improve their investment, and might embarrass the city enough to kick them in the pants to get light-rail in the works city-wide.

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On the last Midtown Planning survey, there was a proposal in the works to widen St. Albans to accommodate a suicide lane. I would rather keep it two lanes but accommodate extra width for a potential future light rail corridor that would ultimately connect to a broader system near the CSX right-of-way off Atlantic.

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Thank you for sharing. I have always had concerns about how Midtown will eventually merge into a cohesive neighborhood. ‘Real’ urban areas are dynamic in part because of the many stakeholders (property owners) developing and redeveloping land, buildings, parks, etc. IMO that is one of the most difficult elements of a master planned (mall) development such as North Hills. Tysons Corner (VA) though much larger in scale is also trying to figure this out.

Also: I have not kept tract of the Midtown-St. Albans Plan but it is definitely worth checking out.
https://www.raleighnc.gov/business/content/PlanDev/Articles/LongRange/MidtownStAlbans.html

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Its not inconceivable that over the next fifty years that there could be a continuous urban development from Glenwood/Crabtree clockwise all the way to Capital and beyond.

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