Raleigh-area Mall / Life-Style Center / RTP Redevelopments

What needs to be understood is that you can never build your way out of car dependency when most new development is suburban style development.

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i assume most cycling from the nearby area is into north hills proper or to the greenway…while maybe not ideal, do the neighborhood streets off of six forks allow safe access at least to crosswalks, to cross six forks into the retail areas?

I was confused by the article but it seems like there will be two shared use paths, one on each side of the street. I’m fine with that but I do believe that they should’ve been 10 ft since bikers and pedestrians don’t seem to get along well here in Boston. Also, crossing 6 lanes will never be safe for pedestrians, especially those with disabilities or with children in strollers.

To answer your question, I’m not sure.

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There really isn’t a great connection to the greenway from North Hills. There are partial bike lanes on Lassiter; They don’t go the entire stretch. This means that the majority that ride down Lassiter to the greenway will be more experienced cyclists. If there are others wanting to go up/down, they’ll probably end up on the sidewalk.

If much cycling happens at all, it will more than likely be kids cycling to Carroll Magnet Middle School. Downtown I do tend to see kids cycling to Exploris Middle School. They use the wide sidewalks which is why I’ve mentioned I would prefer wider sidewalks instead of biking lanes. There will probably be some rides to Food Lion as well as North Hills from a few residents, but I would not expect many.

With this current plan, the biking/pedestrian improvements will not extend to North Hills. There may be some increased biking traffic to North Hills, but I would not expect much due to no improvements in this section for quite some time. The section from Lynn Rd to Millbrook was part of Phase 1. South of Rowan was going to be the last phase (aka Phase 2 which I would assume is now Phase 3).

Speaking of North Hills in general, I’m wondering if there are any considerations to improving the connection between both North Hills sections anytime soon. Given the high number of residential units in the area, it would make sense to make improvements at this crossing at a high priority. I haven’t seen any plans or discussion about it, but it’s definitely something the city should look into.

The table below lists the number of units in North Hills. I included Channel House because even though it it is outside the main shopping area, it is within a mile of the far side of NH Main District (Renaissance NH for reference). To put that into perspective, that’s more residential units than the census tract immediately NW of North Hills (1,448 residential units).

Stories Units
Highland North Hills 12 287
Lassiter at North Hills 4 297
Dartmouth 5 171
Park and Market 7 409
Midtown Green 7 214
Channel House 7 200
Vine 5 326
The Cardinal 18 316
2220

As a side note:

If we look at page 79, we will see that the majority of crashes are actually in the sections where there are 3 lanes. This speaks to me that the 3 lanes will lead to increased crashes along this road. So not only are we inducing demand, the impending increased accidents will lead to the same exact traffic if not worse. Whenever there is an accident, there will be blocked lanes. Once police arrive, it will more than likely go down to one lane.

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Let’s keep this data in mind when discussing traffic safety and widening roads:

This project would not have been as expensive if the engineers were committed to increasing traffic safety instead of potentially making the situation worse.

PDP posted for South Hills today:
https://townofcary.geocivix.com/secure/project/?projectid=1002631#expand=1260735

Divides the site into 28 blocks, mostly mid to high-rise. A 45’ mostly pedestrian street (“partially or fully blocked to vehicular travel”) with required active uses at ground floor, parallel to Buck Jones on the south. Streets would have 60-80’ ROWs, with Buck Jones to get a road diet down to 3 lanes + PBLs.

Option to combine five blocks into the proposed “center.”

Maximum Density Limitations
East of Buck Jones Road
› 900 multi-family dwelling units with ground floor commercial
› 475,000 SF of office and public/institution uses
› 120,000 SF research laboratory
› 280,000 SF of commercial (Retail/service component as part of mixed use)
› 175 room hospitality uses
› 500,000 SF of institutional use (“The Center”)

West of Buck Jones Road
› 875 multifamily dwelling units with ground floor commercial
› 460,000 SF of office and public/institution uses
› 115,000 SF of research laboratory
› 270,000 SF of commercial (Retail/service component as part of mixed use)
› 175 room hospitality uses

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Remind me again what the plan for “The Center” is? Could this be an AHL hockey arena?

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Seems like it’s just a large community center, but I love the idea of an AHL arena.

Community and Sports Recreation Center | Town of Cary (carync.gov)

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Wow!

Let’s get some more transit over there

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Basketball and e-sports focused

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Macy’s announced that it will close 30% of its stores by 2026; there hasn’t been a single list published, but I’m sure word will trickle out as employees at affected locations are notified. They’re still in a lot of zombie malls like Triangle Town Center; I imagine that’s on the cut list, but Crabtree should be fine.

It will also add 30 small-format Market by Macy’s and 15 small-format Bloomie’s / Outlet locations; the two new-build Bloomie’s so far are ~20,000 sq ft, in outdoor malls in Fairfax and Seattle, and one replaced a full-size store in north suburban Chicago. They’re targeting top-50 metros – potentially the Triangle.

  • Southpoint is redeveloping the JCP/Sears boxes, and has plenty of space to rent.
  • North Hills would’ve been a great location if there were space west of Six Forks, but that rezoning got pulled. It could be the second mini-luxury department store Kane has missed out on, the other being Saks.
  • Elsewhere in NC, Macy’s has a large new warehouse near Kannapolis, so Charlotte seems obvious and there’s plenty of new construction around SouthPark.
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For the full-size Blommingdale’s, I think SouthPark and Southpoint are probably the two most likely landing spots in NC. Both already have Macy’s, but both metros have additional Macy’s stores at other area malls to compensate for a potential rebrand.

How large are the small-format stores? NH seems like a no-brainer other than the rezoning thing. Phillips Place (near SouthPark) would probably be the most likely spot for Bloomie’s here.

I was reading about this a little bit, earlier today. If I recall correctly, it’s smaller format Bloomingdales.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if TTC is on the closure list. I haven’t been to that mall in well over a decade. It just seems second rate, somewhat dangerous, and fairly inconvenient to get to for most people in the Triangle.

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Ahh I really hope one ends up in Raleigh. There’s still the sears space at Crabtree.

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Metió we just got Brahmin let’s go higher.

If Bloomingdales is considering the Triangle, it absolutely should be in Wake County as both the population juggernaut and growth leader in the metro. I can easily see it in Crabtree, Fenton, North Hills and even as an anchor in DTS.

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I vote for Lafayette village. It will fit in perfectly with suburban soccer moms who want to pretend they’re European socialites.

A smart developer would do a combo Home Depot and Bloomingdales so that spouses wouldn’t mind going shopping too. Just have the two stores side by side with a breezeway connecting bar and restaurant.

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Anyone else feel like they may not see The Exchange come to fruition in their lifetime? Kane has built a half dozen buildings within the same timeline it’s taken DeWitt to build one building.

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I guess it depends on how long you plan to live…

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