Any updates on the Downtown South stadium? With the support Charlotte FC is getting would love to see something in Raleigh.
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Was down there today to see Atlanta united but it was so bitter sweet knowing that it really shouldâve been us.
But no updates. Probably wonât happen for a while.
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We need the civic will do to this. At any cost. Build the stadium, it has zero downside just like Charlotte did when they built one for the Panthers.
David Tepper cares about Charlotte and made them a better city got it AND they are doing well. Why is it that this region has tons of wealth and negative civic will. This place needs a Tepper, it would be a better place with one.
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The Triangle suffers from serving too many masters. Charlotte is a 300+ square mile behemoth that dominates the metro to the point that everyone for many miles around it identify with the singular central city brand.
Over time, Raleigh has been distancing itself objectively by numbers, but it has not asserted itself in any meaningful way: always seeming to play the regional card instead of the Raleigh card.
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We need to brand the whole area, as Raleigh we can be the center of the metro in fact we might be. But we need to identify as Raleigh. Completely no more of this research triangle stuff, now I want the Raleigh-Cary metro to merge with the Durham-Chapel Hill metro but after that weâre need to be the Raleigh area. Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is one area but when they get sports team or corporations they say it coming to the Dallas area they donât name the suburb. Because itâs irrelevant and is the crown jewel of the area.
Um - The Pantherâs stadium was not built in the hopes they might get an NFL franchise. it was built after they got the team. And the downside of building a stadium without an MLS team, is that us taxpayers could pay for an empty stadium.
I am not against MLS or the stadium, just the notion that building a stadium without an occupant has zero downside.
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Well if we had the civic will to get an MLS team, we easily would have built that stadium. But we screwed up somehow, especially when we have multiple alternate venues to host a team while building a venue. The Panthers had to play their first season at Clemson because the stadium wasnât ready.
Besides Tepper having motivation and a stadium to use - and good luck getting a smaller stadium for them, MLS seems to tolerate low-effort situations like CFC/NYCFC/Revs - what did Charlotte do right that Raleigh did wrong? I know we werenât in the same boat as Sacramento but what mistakes did we make and how can we not make them again so we can keep pace with Charlotte?
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Raleigh and Wake County has enough revenue to build a stadium or at least fund without charging taxpayer money.
All revenue that a city or a county has comes from taxes of some sort.
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And there are many times where building a sports venue can backfire horribly on a city, just ask Cincinnati about Paul Brown Stadium or Miami about Marlins Park or the whole debacle in Glendale, AZ. Then again, you have rare cases such as Kansas City where the city government (who owns the building) has actively kept the building from getting any permanent tenants because they donât want to give up any of their event revenue.
Besides Kansas City, who needed the arena as their former arena was a flawed building that was frankly cursed, I can think of only three other venues that were built on spec before a tenant and all three (Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis, Florida Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, and Dome at Americaâs Center in St. Louis) are the sort of buildings you could not get away with building today and became obsolete fast.
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This popped up last week that might be of interest, namely with regards to baseball in this market.
New MiLB facility standards could cost Durham more than $10M to keep Bulls
Capitol Broadcasting/Jim Goodmon has pledged $2M towards the costs. MLB, which runs MiLB, wonât chip in anything and good luck getting the Rays to pay anything given their own stadium woes. This could become a third rail in Durham given they own the park and being That Politician That Made The Bulls Leave For Orlando would never be a good look.
(Perhaps this is what gets Stu Sternberg to kick the tires of the Triangle to move the Rays hereâŚ)
A bigger concern would be that of the Mudcats. Five County Stadium was built in 1991 and frankly is showing its age and while being owned by the Milwaukee Brewers would help more than a singular real estate developer/broadcasting owner, it seems like itâs low hanging fruit to be culled if MiLB decides to consolidate to one level of A-level ball.
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As long as Raleigh gets a team within the city limits, preferably in or close to downtown.
Durham Bulls too close is a poor excuse when the second biggest city in North Carolina is the region Minor League is preventing from getting a team. If you consider Raleigh/Cary one metroâitâs the biggest metro in NC without some form of professional/semi-professional baseball within itâs limitsâZebulon-based Mudcats has limited appeal in Raleigh I mean most people that do watch local baseball in Raleigh likely go see the Bulls instead.
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While the stadium was not built the funding WAS committed by charlotte when they were awarded the franchise. That is a HUGE clarification to your statement.
Raleigh however canât seem to do jackshit with respect to funding a stadium, arena or anythingâŚ.so the topic of luring a pro franchise is moot.
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So then make some noise about that I just criticized Mayor Baldwin for saying she wants ACC here in Raleigh but put no proposals and Raleigh has been passed over. We need to be aggressive and nasty and vitriolic if we want MLB, or MLS or any good sports tourney.
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Typically, MiLB teams get a 35-mile radius of their home stadium where they can veto anyone who wants to set up a team inside that radius. This is why the Mudcats are in Zebulon, they were originally intended for Raleigh but the Bulls vetoed a park there so they went to the closest point to Raleigh outside that radius. This worked in reverse, when the Bulls went from High-A to AAA, Goodmon wanted to build a park inside RTP but the Mudcats vetoed it. MLB teams also get veto power when a factor, the Atlantic League stems from the Mets vetoing a relocation of the Yankees AA affiliate from Albany to Long Island.
Similarly, NC has another âweâre just barely at 35 milesâ case with Winston-Salem and Greensboro (Winston was first) and a grandfathered case with Kannapolis and Charlotte (Kannapolis entered when the Knights were still in Rock Hill, SC; when Charlotte moved uptown Kannapolis gave no objection).
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Well I guess there is a way if an arrangement can be made. Also throwing money at it will probably work.
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To be quite fair in the period between the Mudcats and the Bulls having their spats the rules loosened quite a bit in terms of enforcement and compensation (the Mets and Yankees consenting to their short-A clubs to be at Coney Island and St. George on Staten Island was a couple years off). There have still been vetoed cases, the Yankees tried to do a one-year relocation of their AAA club to Newark when their regular home near Scranton was being rebuilt and the Mets said no.
Being owned by a MLB club may give them more of an ability to take the Bulls on if they wanted to build closer to Raleigh. Thing is do you go for Low-A ball or do you try to aim high and go for MLB.
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No, what we need to do is buy the Mudcats and fold them, that will seal it.
This is not realistic at all. You want the Brewers to fold a team they own because they play a place that inhibits a team in Raleigh proper. You do know that they would never do such a thing.
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No, I rant because Iâm sick and tired of being sick and tired of having nothing to do on weekend, so I Travel and while thatâs nice I canât do that every weekend. I would like to have a crown jewel in Raleigh something we can be proud of and flex like a Legoland, or a theme park. I know I can be an ass, but if you get to know me Iâm much better, I want Raleigh to settle for more and introduce some ideas you havenât heard of. I have a way of a traditional way of growth yall think differently.