@BoyHowdy and @Jake, I think this is one of those rare moments where two people are arguing over agreeing with each other. You’re both clearly on different wavelengths.
Trees good. Buildings good. Let’s move on. 
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I was at North Street early evening yesterday and was looking toward the West Condo building & thinking about the resistence to the rezoning of the property assemblage on the corner of West and Peace. It wasn’t lost on me that the relationship of where I was to the West is similar to the relationship of the SFHs in Glenwood/Brooklyn to the assemblage site. Certainly the elevation and terrain is different, but it’s still similar.
In any case, I started comparing the West’s height with the trees in the background and foreground from my position on the parklette seating outside of North Street, and I took a few snaps to give a visual reference to what the tree canopy means to the relationship of a potential 30 story building and Glenwood/Brooklyn.
This first shot shows a moderately tall tree that’s in front of Clockwork and West in the background. Though this singular tree isn’t all that tall, notice how it’s visually taller than the West building.
Then I thought to go over to the set of trees just west of the railroad and see how the affect the view of West from there. Needless to say, my presumptions were confirmed about their impact on the view.
To sum up, this particular stretch of North St. isn’t particularly wooded like the residential streets in Glenwood/Brookly, and look at how just a few trees impact sightlines.
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Your using logic to try and reason with Livable Raleigh…
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These people are destroying Downtown Raleigh. We have to call it what it is. This isn’t Fayetteville, Raleigh is an up an coming major city. The concept of Nimbyism has become benign, these are really a group of classist parasites!!!
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YES! TREES GOOD BUILDINGS GOOD!!! 
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If I could be a voice of reason here and offer a counterpoint: trees bad, buildings bad. Need more surface parking lots downtown. Make downtown flat again
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Highwoods is way ahead of you on this one.
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Someone responded to my support of this rezoning with the following statement: “bro sees 90% empty residence and storefronts and decide more towers is the answer”
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Good Grief. If we had 90% empty residences, housing costs would be dropping like a rock, not increasing. And we wouldn’t have all the homeless people at each intersection begging for money.
These people have no common sense.
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no means no means no means no, regardless of logic
raleighnimby.com
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Raleigh’s apartment vacancy is 11.8% and is trending downward. This is from Lee and Associates and is from 1Q 2025. 88.2% Occupied.
https://www.lee-associates.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/2025.Q1-Raleigh-NC-Multifamily.pdf
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raleighnimby.com is doing what they do best in retirement, create fear!
The LR newsletter is calling their readers to email council. I hope you all have done the same!
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I may write something up later here but can we try a pro-height, pro-urbanism approach rather than anti-LR? You’re just giving them free pub, best to just ignore it I think. 
I feel like you keep dropping a link to their stuff, putting it out there, like you hate that you actually like them deep inside. 
I’m not worried about anyone on here going to the dark side. I’m sharing what they’re doing because I want to encourage “our side” to do more. LR isn’t just a website, they do a really good job of activating their rather small base, but their base as small as it may be, is louder and more vocal than the YIMBY/pro-density base.
To ignore is to become complacent and not know what we’re up against. This forum does a great job of contributing here and if we could get even half of that enthusiasm expressed in various forms of activation (emails at a minimum, in person even better!), we’d have something.
WE NEED TO DO MORE, NOT IGNORE!
I didn’t initially intend to rhyme there…
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I wrote an email a couple weeks back giving a couple reasons for approval. Everyone here should do the same! Its my opinion that councillors need (1) a reminder that there are people in favor of density (2) positive reminders of the reasons why this project is a good idea.
It would also not be a bad idea to show up and make remarks in favor at public comment. LR’s leadership is already showing up at public comment - I’m talking about the general-purpose public comment where you’re not supposed to address particular zoning cases - and talking about this project, frequently in not-very-veiled terms. (And they are personally attacking councilors as they do it, which is a violation of the rules of decorum that they agreed to.)
We don’t need to exhaust ourselves at the start of a case that is probably going to take many months to go to completion. But if we can, let’s show up with some positivity and warmth and be the change we want to see in the world.
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Is there a list we can pin somewhere in the forum of all the councilmembers’ emails + the Mayor’s?
Pin it. Bookmark it. Do whatcha want with it.
Janet Cowell - Janet.Cowell@raleighnc.gov
Jonathan Lambert-Melton - Jonathan.Lambert-Melton@raleighnc.gov
Stormie Forte - Stormie.Forte@raleighnc.gov
Mitchell Silver - Mitchell.Silver@raleighnc.gov
Megan Patton - Megan.Patton@raleighnc.gov
Corey Branch - Corey.Branch@raleighnc.gov
Jane Harrison - Jane.Harrison@raleighnc.gov
Christina Jones - Christina.Jones@raleighnc.gov
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Nimby is such a benevolent term for these people. They are really a classist/racist demographic CRD privileged class that refuse to see the progression of any other groups than themselves. They are literally a small group of rich people that can stop the progression of a major city. These developments will benefit the entire city! NIMBY is an outdated term. CRD!
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