The point is we don’t want to have anything to do with the state as they have had a bad history with the controversies they done (hince: HB2) and we’ve been the backdrop for it and the center of there BS as the capital. I personally Raleigh should separate itself from the NC Capital kinda like Austin wants to have nothing to do with the their legislative building and Gov. Greg Abbott. So while yes most University Hospital HQs are in the state capital maybe are this one can be in Rocky Mount, NC.
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UTenn < ECU? dang, lol.
Hah, I mean their non-flagship campuses (Martin, Chattanooga, Southern) - basically that system comes close to a Penn State style set up where there’s one primary school and the rest are explicitly satellite campuses.
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Fair, fair, lol. I read to quickly. It is a very strange system.
But you got to love a system with an Austin Peay (said Pee). A frat up there came up with a t shirt that said “Show your Peayness”. The university copyrighted the slogan and shut the whole thing down. My grad school friend who teaches there snagged me one of the banned shirts, lol.
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@mike we are the state capitol but we should claim the states actions.
Hah, that’s awesome!
For whatever reason, APSU is run by a different system than UTenn - the Tennessee Board of Regents, which runs MTSU, ETSU, Tenn Tech, Tenn State and Memphis as well. Kind of like how LSU is split off from the University of Louisiana System.
EDIT: Wait, I take it back. Each of those now has their own board since 2017 and the BoR just runs community colleges.
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just how many people will be moving? my dads office downtown at administration bldg packed up and moved to falls of the neuse to a building better suited for mainframe work at the time (early 90s). i think DMV occupied an old Kroger on Atlantic near old wake forest road for some years…they still may. state gov hops around here and there. the old bldg for community colleges and perhaps ‘indian affairs’ near jones st i think moved also.
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I won’t drag this discussion on too much - but the consolidation of the NC universities was a great thing in my opinion. I do think I new that UT has at least two systems, or one system and a lot of independent state campuses. Here in Alabama, there UA has three campuses, but then all the rest of the universities are their own deals. There is some good, but also a lot of competition and repetitive programs.
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UNC Chapel Hill was founded in 1789
Raleigh was founded in 1792
true…many of the other campuses (UNC-et cetera) were formed later. if a bldg site just has better bones or closer to ears of politicians, for instance in raleigh it may make some sense.
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There is something fundamentally flawed with assuming that the office for running the university system being 35 minutes away from the people with the purse strings, means they should pick up the whole organization and relocate. Our kids’ futures shouldn’t depend on the UNC leader having to beg hat in hand from a (theoretical) underutilized, quasi-historic house in downtown Raleigh because of state ‘leadership’ that governs from a morally bankrupt ideology of ‘owning’ their political rivals while playing games with our state’s economic future (see: HB2). This has absolutely zero to do with pragmatism and everything to do with political point scoring (not to mention inferiority complexes).
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Politics has always been a face-to-face game. If anything, the American system (and the states’ as an extension of it) is MORE decentralized than most.
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Interesting development for those who have HOAs. Looks like a case made its way to the NC Supreme Court and they’re going to determine if solar panels can be installed on the front of the homeowners house or not.
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If nothing else that keeps cbd and delta 8 products legal. That’s something I guess. =/
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I would also add that having k-12 education, the community college organization, and the university system in the same place has to be helpful, right? It just seems like how education is delivered is changing and having all of the major players together, ideally coordinating, to deliver the best system for North Carolina makes sense.
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I’m curious how much land the UNC system is sitting on Chapel Hill that could be redeveloped. Does anyone have an idea?
If the state were smart, they’d consider going to full time hybrid work for those who are able, free up office space in existing state buildings downtown, and consolidate the UNC system there with minimal capital investment. Everyone doesn’t need their own grand building.
That’s true if the university and other education systems had a reason to regularly talk to each other. But they don’t do that (nor were they intended to, historically, since UNC was founded long before the concept of K-12 education existed in America).
In principle, I think it would be nice if the community college system were more tightly integrated with our public colleges. In my ideal world, you could get an associate’s degree in IT management from a community college while taking elective courses on back-end programming from a nearby university and getting deeper insights from their faculty and grad students. (Wake County actually does something similar, but that initiative doesn’t exist in most of our state).
In practice, though, I’m having a hard time believing that the state would invest in curriculum streamlining. After all, they’ve been refusing to properly fund our schools and pay teachers despite threats of a court order to do just that -all while teachers are paying out of their own pockets to keep their classrooms afloat. I’m not sure if that system is even capable of meaningfully integrating and collaborating with the UNC system, never mind the question of whether that’s worth it.
In context, I’m even more skeptical of this move because it’s obviously politically motivated as a way for Republicans to “own the libs”. The Board of Governors are appointed by the General Assembly. Through them, they recently appointed a wealthy Republican donor, and made a guy who lied about his qualifications its leader. Predictably, they’ve been regularly put off whenever they had to face the consequences of their own actions, such as their intervention in the Silent Sam or Nikole Hannah-Jones affairs at UNC-CH. One of the most effective symbolic moves you could do to assert control against Chapel Hill, then, is to move away from being so close to potentially-protesting students in your system’s flagship institution. …i.e. exactly what’s going on now.
So I’m having a very hard time believing this move is being made for reasons in good faith or that there’s any (education-related) efficiencies to be gained from moving to Raleigh.
Not much. The UNC system headquarters sits in two buildings on just six acres of wooded land surrounded by a historic neighborhood, a softball field, the UNC-CH chancellor’s residence, and 15-501. From Orange County’s GIS web app:
The mixed-use developments of Glen Lennox and Station at East 54 are nearby, but 15-501 (labeled here as Fordham Blvd.) acts as a hard barrier between it and historically low-density areas. It would be one thing if UNC students had a reason to regularly come near this area, but the Outdoor Education Center, where everything has to be surrounded by trees, sits between the BoG and the rest of the UNC-CH campus.
Because of that, the BoG site is intended to blend in with nature and be part of the buffer between UNC, the historic Gimghoul neighborhood with its legendary haunted castle, and more modern developments. I don’t think the indirect consequences of disturbing that balance is worth it.
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Yeah I agree that there are certainly reasons to be skeptical, however as a university employee I can also see some benefits.
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Looking at this from a purely Raleigh-centric viewpoint - wouldn’t we rather have these highly-educated and probably pretty well-paid workers in our city and county versus in a drive-in drive-out suburban office 40 minutes away?
Even if the reasoning is back-asswards, this seems like it aligns the system with what most other states do and it gives Raleigh a little boost.
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