There are a row of duplexes at the entrance to North Ridge on Harps Mills off of Falls of Neuse Rd. They just look like large houses. Frankly, they are sitting on such large pieces of property, they could be doubled in density, or turned into many more townhouses without a problem.
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Exactly. Two funny things about duplexes:
- One of the things planning staff have wrestled with on this is that there have been different standards, but overlapping definitions, for two side-by-side units. Are they duplexes (“attached houses”)? Are they a pair of townhouses? Why does the UDO treat the two differently?
- “Duplex” connotes fantastic luxury in the world of Manhattan high-rise dwellers, since it means a two-story unit with interior stairs. So much space!
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What kind of ppl live in duplexes? Surprisingly, there are many in Raleigh in every area of town.
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Sketchy poor people…
Awesome, I guess I need to find one to occupy, I’ll fit right in.
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I think all kinds can and should! I’m saying I think there’s a stereotype attached to them that people think certain people live there and that’s why they want them
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What’s the difference between a duplex and a townhouse with two end units? Seems the best of both to me.
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Me too. Atlanta has duplexes that go for over $500k. They can be made to look like one house and you typically get double the density on a regular lot.
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Why would you buy a duplex for $500k in Atlanta when you can get a full house in the suburbs? I know it could be a preference but that seems stupid to me. It’s ATL not NYC.
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I personally have dozens of reasons I’d never again live in the ATL suburbs but most people do just that.
I’ll just say, Atlanta and Atlanta suburbs are two completely different worlds.
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Honestly, I believe duplexes have smaller units that are 2 stories max.? and townhomes could be 2-4 stories with square footage of a medium sized single family home, especially the ones being sold for $1 million. Correct me if I’m wrong.
The city’s plan is to increase the amount of duplexes, triplexes, etc. to meet the demand of cheaper housing. Doing this would, in theory, decrease the demand for affordable housing.
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Location, Location, Location (probably)
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Interesting read/catch as I was reading an article in regards to Raleigh based Bandwidth selling off some of their land for a campus off of Edwards Mill road ext. And we were just talking about duplexes and their meaning:
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If you can’t afford a $1 million dollar single family home, the duplex is the second best thing. People buy condos instead of a house in the suburbs all the time. I would prefer to walk to amenities than drive everywhere and fight with stupid drivers.
I know of places where mobile homes/trailers go for $300k. So it does depend on costs of the area.
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Sounds like we need more duplexes so we can have more tech companies go public.
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Edit to add YouTube video again***
49:32 is the starting point for missing middle housing.
53:17 Shows Option 1
54:03 Shows Option 2
59:53 Motion to set public hearing date for Option 1
Summary of the previous post I made:
There was a motion to set the public hearing date for July 6th using Option 1 of the Text Change. There were two options for the change as noted in the following document: https://go.boarddocs.com/nc/raleigh/Board.nsf/files/C3SQW8662E6A/$file/20210614PLANDEVSpecialItemsTC520staffmemo.pdf
Note the differences in Chart 2 and Chart 3. In Chart 2, we see that there can be about 21.8 Units/Acre for attached housing, but townhouses and apartments are at 14.5 and 17.4 respectively. Option 2 (chart 3) brought the limit for townhouses and apartments up to the same density as the attached homes.
With the motion that was set for July 6th using Option 1, I’m confused if this means that they are going with option 1 and am also confused as to why they would not increase the yields for maximums for townhouses and apartments to meet with the attached dwellings in R-6 and R-10. There was not much discussion that I saw on why they wanted to go with option 1. From my understanding (which may mean I don’t understand), it seems that it would make sense for attached homes to be built now in places where R10 zoning is compared to apartments/townhouses.
I’ve also wondered what this will mean, if anything, for apartments that are currently set in R10 zoning districts. With the increased possibility for density, I’m curious if there are complexes that may try to increase their density once this gets implemented.
As an example, the Trails of North Hills on North Hills Rd is currently zoned as R10. They currently have 279 units on 28.32 acres. With Option 1, would it make sense to build 617 attached units, 492 apartments, or 410 townhouses? That’s my take on what Option 1 looks like. I don’t think complexes will completely tear themselves down to rebuild again at higher densities, but I’m wondering if this is something that may happen. I think it would be good for the housing supply.
I tried to see what Durham’s changes that were done in 2019 had done, but am not too familiar with it yet.
This is the presentation that was given today in the meeting: https://go.boarddocs.com/nc/raleigh/Board.nsf/files/C3ZMEW53EA40/$file/20210614PLANDEVSpecialItemTC520Presentation.pdf
The agenda from today’s meeting can be found at https://go.boarddocs.com/nc/raleigh/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BZ5JA54BD767#
First Edit was to change “duplexes” to “attached” as shown in the chart.
Second Edit was done since the YouTube video of today’s City Council meeting no longer being available.
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It looks like the video’s no longer available, though the city’s YouTube channel has lots of new videos (like today’s City Council work session). What was this from?
(I can also try to check your work and look into what Durham’s up to, too, if you’d like haha)
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This was from today’s City Council meeting. Not sure why only the BRT station Design portion is public.
I’ll edit my post above.
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I’ve also wondered what this will mean, if anything, for apartments that are currently set in R10 zoning districts. With the increased possibility for density, I’m curious if there are complexes that may try to increase their density once this gets implemented.[/quote]
It’s possible, but consider that most apartment complexes are currently in RX-3, which is way more permissive and yet they haven’t been redeveloped.
It does happen every so often – sometimes entire apartment complexes are bulldozed, or part of an existing complex can be redeveloped at a higher density. (I know of one such case in Cary, where a small 16-unit chunk of an older garden apartment complex is being replaced with 43 units.)