Zoning and Density

The “Agenda 21” conspiracy theory is back!

The ironic thing about this periodic right-wing scare is that… suburban American car culture was concocted by elites to enrich themselves and control the masses. At every step along the way, big government stepped in to ensure that Americans paid more and more of their money to prop up the auto/oil/sprawl industries.

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i guess the elites pulled one over on my family. as i have mentioned before i and my parents used transit exclusive along with taxis for near 2 decades. in raleigh at least, once i was able to drive tasks did get much easier… out of milk? car it to the grocer and get milk and a bunch of other stuff. doctor appointment? it was wait for the taxi and call in plenty of time…with the car it was just go to the doctor., etc. with ubers and similar, maybe ‘transport blends’ are the new paradigm but in my case car travel allowed much more stuff to get done. I’m sure there are tipping points here and there.

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60-80 would be great. I am realtively new to the Raleigh area. What is the deal with capping buildings at 40 stories? At least that is what I am seeing and reading.

It’s the local bogeyman here in downtown Raleigh, only because nothing actually stops a developer from building above 40 stories. The developer would only need to go through the process of asking for approval.

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It’s not forbidden, per se. There has been concern expressed whether our fire / emergency services can support something happening at these heights but its not out of the question.
Considering there are already approved lots at 40 stories zoning with no buildings being built on them in the past few years, we must assume the financial desire to build things this high does not currently exist here…Wonder which comes first - a 60 stories building or a downtown arena…?

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They want the budget to increase the fire budget. But 40 or 60 or 80 is not guaranteed when rezoning.

The cap was created when Raleigh was controlled by a NIMBY city council around 2015 to limit 40 story towers to only a very tiny strip of land (Fayetteville Street). Before then all city rezoning always had to ask for floor allowance. Don’t know why the previous city council not fully removed this zoning map.

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Who is they?
DX 40 zoning wouldn’t guarantee 60 or 80 but it does give certainty that if you own that real estate then you can build a 40 story tower right now. Kane can at SmoHo 3. If you owned a DX-40 parcel, then you too could go 40 stories (with appropriate development paperwork / permitting) and you could even put a hella spire on the roof of that 40 story thing with a monument to the :gucci: at the pinnacle of the spire and go higher than PNC’s top hat if you wanted to sign on the dotted line to finance it.

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Just a sanity check for me here, we currently do not have any 40 story buildings, correct? Isn’t the PNC tower 30-something? So, in theory, any of the several lots now zoned for up to 40 stories could become the tallest in the city? (Any suspicions or confirmations of which?)

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More importantly, the height restrictions on buildings has been removed, so a new tallest building could technically be fewer floors than PNC.

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The results of the Missing Middle feedback sessions will be discussed at a council work session on Tuesday. There’s a lot to go through I’m the docs but feedback appears all over the place from a quick glance.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/NCRALEIGH/bulletins/34f5577

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https://twitter.com/raleigh_forward/status/1637136306860879872?s=46&t=bHdsKAWRl4uU6ZB1QhFo1g

And there it is smh

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Someone needs to humbly ask these people if they want Raleigh to become Boston in regards to the cost and lack of housing.

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Not surprised but this makes me angry. Definition of power and wealth exercising their way over the rest.

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“ special damages alleged in the Lawsuit are increased stormwater runoff, increased traffic, decreased traffic safety and damage to the Plaintiff’s property values. “

What a load of horse :poop:. They are suing for increased traffic? I’m surprised they aren’t suing for increased shadows.

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Spent some time looking at the Response Analysis (fourth attachment - https://go.boarddocs.com/nc/raleigh/Board.nsf/files/CPSUBT75C3F7/$file/20230321PLANDEVMoreHomesMoreChoices_ResponseAnalysis.pdf) to see what themes bubbled up to the top. Granted this exercise is a bit fraught since it depends on how the staff chose to categorize the different comments they heard.

Question #2 was “How do you think we can make Raleigh more sustainable, transit
supportive and affordable for all families who want to live here?”. The most common theme was improved transportation (with 101 responses). Under this, the top winners were more service (46 responses) and transit oriented development (20 responses)… In comparison zoning reform only caught 3 responses.

Unsurprisingly there is broad support for transit options but comparatively little support for the policies that should be naturally complementary to more transit (ie., policies that favor density). We have got to reinforce the linkage between transit (and perhaps walkability) and density.

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For these people that already own homes in the area? Yeah, they would love that. They aren’t worried about anyone else’s issues buying.

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Bingo! My biggest issue is that they’ve gone into SE Raleigh with their idiotic save our neighborhoods signs and convinced a lot of Black residents that MM is going to cause more gentrification. Meanwhile SFH after SFH that’s a NOAH option for low to mid income residents keeps getting replaced by million dollar single family new builds is the real cause of displacement. MM is what saves that. It’s infuriating what a few rich privileged folks have done.

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when i had a job in the park as a lab rat in a pharmaceutical contract lab, cheap apartments nearby might have been nice…i drove from Clayton on 40 instead in a 900 dollar Diahatsu sedan. usually a fast commute…but some issues on occasion. late 1990s.

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Any lawyers among us? Do you guys think there is a chance they could win?