Just build the damn thing and get it over with there are 3 other spots on that lot for bigger things later.
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It isnt as if a government enitity wont fill up the space in time.
Sometimes i’m ashamed to be apart of Raleigh government old folks are to blame, so are suburbanites. I just don’t understand the people in charge in this city its like the don’t know how to run a growing city its a shame.
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Still a nice building. Clean modernism looks pretty good at any height.
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The major permit applied for today:
Description: Phase 1 of Civic Campus Master Plan - Approx. 362,393 SF of civic use in a 17 story tower rising 258 above grade - New tower constructed on former Police Headquarters/Municipal Building located @ 110 McDowell - Project capitalizes on parking deck to the north of the site - Part of project limits is on 222 W Hargett St.
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Another 250 ft building. sigh…
It would be nice to have some variety.
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Given that this was the entire skyline for years and years, I think there’s a lot of looking in gift horses mouths going on. Long way to go before Raleigh can really complain about having an extensive 250ft plateau.
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I fully agree. The best skylines in the world have dozens of 200 ft buildings to fill in the gaps between bigger skyscrapers while some of the most walkable cities have no skyscrapers at all. I love tall buildings but the sentiment on this forum seems a bit extreme lol.
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They don’t have to be taller. I just want some variety in height. 400H, Pendo and now this Municipal building are all near each other and will all be about the same height.
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Well the good news here is that there are quite a few lots in this same general area that are now rezoned to 40 stories! So there will definitely be more height variation coming - just gotta get these 250footers out of the way first!
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I would love to see 500-600ft feet with 90-story towers but that’s just me. But I agree we need to have some variation. The big 3 towers we thrived on in this city have served their purpose they need to be outgrown. The connection center project I don’t know the status on, needs to cover them.
Do we still have no height limit, or was that reversed I ask because I wonder if reasoning that we’re approved already if it did get reversed would be grandfathered or better words won’t be affected by it.
I’ve never understood why everyone is so infatuated with tall buildings on this forum,
unless you’re talking about apartments, condos or hotels. Buildings that actually bring people downtown and keep them there when the sun goes down. Tall office buildings really don’t add anything to what’s happening street level. Especially government office buildings. Workers come and go. Once you get past the first floor most tall buildings don’t offer much of anything other than a visual for people driving into the city. An active street level experience is what we should be pushing for. The majority of tall buildings in downtown Raleigh are on Fayetteville St and look how awesome that place is. Shiii…
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Because they look really cool, duh.
Seriously, they add a sense of place and pride. The Triangle having neither major landmarks/historic districts (like DC or Charleston) nor an iconic skyline tower (Charlotte, Cleveland) is part of why it tends to get under-appreciated nationally for how populous it is.
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Dix Park can and should be our civic and metropolitan anchor in 20 years.
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This is not all that important but we will get a signature building eventually. Everything takes time, we just need a nationally or internationally known developer to buy some land and be determined enough to make a visually impactful/impressive building.
Raleigh is becoming a well known city, just slowly…
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I was in the middle of typing something similar. It’s funny most of the tall building advocates don’t even live downtown. Has anyone been to Paris or Amsterdam? Tall buildings don’t make them unique, the street level experience does.
I could care less if we never had another building as tall as PNC, and would cover downtown in buildings like the Dillon that have several aspects, street level, office, event space, rooftop restaurant, terrace.
Pointing out my window at tall buildings does nothing for my life, walking to more restaurants, bars and concerts does a whole lot more.
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For the people who don’t live downtown, being able to see downtown from far away is actually a solid benefit. You feel like you’re actually part of the city and not in Anywheresville suburbia.
And my favorite city on the continent is Montreal, which has both a skyline, and dense low-rise districts. We can have both! And each makes the other more interesting to look at in the absence of us getting golden age Paris/Amsterdam architecture.
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First thing is important that NIMBY council members are out, then we move to allow 60 stories in Raleigh maybe 80 if you want go far. Second merge MSAs still waiting for that. Keep in mind most downtown Rakeigh plots of and are at 40. So eventually well get a signature tower all of these delays has something to do with the economy.
Btw the way I joined a group I can’t say all the details or what were doing but I ask you to stay tuned!
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Even the best parts of NYC are not where the tallest building are.
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