Commuter Rail - Garner to West Durham

Durham’s MPO will hear updates about this project later today, including more information about the consequences of building commuter rail for the Triangle in phases (and which phase should be built first).

To recap what we’ve covered earlier, this project is now expected to cost $2.8B ~ $3.2B in 2030 dollars to build, and $42M/year to operate and maintain starting somewhere between 2033 and 2035, carrying a conservative estimate of 12k and 18k passengers daily. Even if the federal government chooses to award us with grant funding, we still don’t have enough taxes to build the entire thing at once -even though it makes societal and financial sense to do so.

Here’s a summary I made of the infrastructure needs that GoTriangle identified in the slide deck (click on the top left icon to display the sidebar, which will also let you toggle additional layers):

Given these infrastructure needs, here's how the three potential phases of the full rail line could look. (click me!)

The “complexity” column is basically the sum of the issues pointed out in the map. It’s a reflection of the following observations made in the slides:

The reason for the Durham/RTP segment being so complicated and costly is due to grade separation and other heavy trackwork being required. However, that need for specific kinds of work is a double-edged sword; (hold that thought as you keep reading…)

The Cary/Raleigh segment may be less complicated, but the work that does need to go in requires careful coordination with multiple rail companies and governments. Every time a stakeholder drops the ball or needs more time to carefully think things through, it adds another straw -and it’s never clear if it’ll be enough to break the camel’s back.

And then there’s the Raleigh-Garner(-Clayton?) bit. Sure, it’s the cheapest and easiest to build, but focusing on this segment first would be betraying the big promise of the Greater Triangle Commuter Rail project. Not the best approach if you want to win back brownie points for rebuilding trust.

Staff on this project also suggest an additional strategy to make regional rail more likely to happen. (click me!)

The presentation also notes that delaying certain parts of our rail line to the competitive grants process could also give us better project ratings (which increases the odds of getting federal aid). This is important since consultants on this study have noted that “population density and ridership data are holding back [their predicted] ratings”.

Without a magical crystal ball, we can’t know for sure whether a phased approach would help or hurt project ratings. But we do know that, with a phased approach:

  • We’d have more time to demonstrate to federal staff that the Triangle is growing in a denser, transit-friendly way, and that useful transit-supportive land use policies are here to stay (and ready to help commuter rail, too). While our recent market analyses suggest that we could become transit-supportive in the future, that’s not as strong as saying that you have it in your hands at the time of writing.

  • We could experiment with all-day service plans that align with post-pandemic travel patterns. This lets us see if that gives us better-than-expected ridership.

  • We can break off the elimination of railroad crossings (especially in parts of Durham that get deferred from an initial rail buildout) into their own projects. This makes them eligible for several federal grant programs, including those that cover up to 80% of the cost. Plus, state funding for these sorts of projects can count towards the local match to federal grants (which would make it easier for us to apply for federal help to extending regional rail to Durham, for example).

  • As the slide deck notes, “double-tracking projects are eligible for multiple programs up to 80% federal funding if they have benefits for intercity passenger rail and freight. One or more sections of double-track could be submitted as a standalone project”, which is helpful since we have several such sections (see my map).

  • The slides also note that “Durham, Cary, and Raleigh Amtrak station improvements could be submitted as standalone projects, to the extent they would benefit intercity passenger rail.”

Remember that this is still a sneak peek of what’s to come. Most of these updates aren’t supposed to be released to the general public until after the holidays -so you still have plenty of time to think things through before you tell our planners what you think.

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I do hope they can get that double tracking grant. A new Piedmont roundtrip is coming next year so the need is there. I seem to recall Rail Division putting that in the state project wish list a couple of years ago.

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Very cool, Keita! :hugs:
Thank you! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Any link on additional piedmont trip?

It would be so fantastic if the new schedule aligned with potential commuting between Raleigh > Cary > Durham

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Super nervous about this project but after the DOLRT failure I gotta think GoTriangle will exhaust every avenue before conceding on this idea.

I was talking to a GoTriangle planner and he said they also have very mixed feelings internally (like we do) – the price tag is obviously astronomical and the timeline is very aggressive for their capabilities, according to him. Even if it does happen, I doubt it’ll be on time.

That said, the Triangle will be quite the rail hub in 2035+ once we have commuter trains (:crossed_fingers:), S-Line trains, and all the other new Amtraks detailed in ConnectUS.

Here’s to hoping for a breakthrough in federal funding!

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http://www.captrail.org/

Spring 2023

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Dang, I thought CAPT was inactive. Website sure needs an update though lol.

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Did he say anything about what part of the timeline seemed very aggressive, or what seemed like a stretch for their capabilities? Is it the time and effort needed to comply with NEPA, wrangling together all the cities and counties, appeasing corporate stakeholders, or…?

(I think most outside observers think it’s happening too slowly, so I’m curious about this disconnect.)

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I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this before, but I think this should be an NCDOT project. When a highway project spanning the Durham-Wake border is planned, we don’t say “OK Wake and Durham County, go get legislative approval to create an authority, have fun building your highway!” - NCDOT handles the staffing, planning, procurement, and project management.

A big reason that things like NCDOT’s highway projects, or Raleigh’s BRT, seem to be moving forward while GoTriangle’s capital projects seem to flounder endlessly is that GoTriangle has basically no standing capacity. NCDOT obviously has an enormous number of full time staff: planning, engineering, project management, procurement, legal, HR - you name it. They’re building stuff all the time - whenever one project ends, they always have plenty of other projects in the backlog for their staff to move on to. Similarly, even Raleigh has substantial full-time planning and engineering departments, and always enough work to keep them busy.

GoTriangle has a few full-time planners assigned to their bus system, but they do not have any standing staff experienced at planning or implementing a major capital project. They have to bootstrap each time, hiring new staff for each project, and relying heavily on consultants, which are expensive, aren’t a “silver bullet” of portable on-demand experience - it takes them time to get up to speed with the local politics, geography, and demographics, and at the end of the day are trying to make a profit so the incentives don’t align perfectly with the public interest.

Consultants are necessary, but you need enough people on-staff to work with them, make sure they’re being used effectively, and overseeing them.

NCDOT has a substantial rail division that has a good deal of experience planning and managing fairly ambitious projects. They are intimately acquainted with NCRR, Norfolk Southern, and the FRA. They have the experience running a passenger rail line and maintaining passenger rail equipment. They should be in charge of this commuter rail project. GoTriangle is a stakeholder, since they’re the ones in charge of the sales tax money that’s going to go towards building it, but NCDOT should be the ones interfacing with the FTA to make this thing happen - not GoTriangle!
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Absolutely see it really doesn’t affect Raleigh of commuter rail fails because I want Raleigh to focus on putting on it’s own expansion (read my posts above) but that would be a smart move for GoTriangle to consider.

I, too, agree that it is happening too slowly, so it was disappointing to hear that they may end up struggling with the existing timeline. In fact, the words the engineer used were that it won’t happen by the early 2030s even if everything goes to plan. I’ve asked for some more clarification and will report back here.

Here’s to hoping he’s wrong!

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An interesting read on the new future Hillsborough’s Amtrak station:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/orange-county/article269330092.html?ac_cid=DM731336&ac_bid=1489571328

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Those trees are really gonna love the walkability to the train station.

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Wow they are expecting a lot of snow.

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At this rate they will have this done the day I retire, when I won’t need it anymore for my commute out to RTP. I heard talk about this when I moved to the area 12 years ago. And it’s more or less at the same stage. But hey, at least “Complete 540” will be done. :roll_eyes:

Maybe they are better off punting and let Raleigh get with Cary and Morrisville and run a BRT out to RTP and the Airport. And forget about Durham, GoTriangle and all the hassles with the railroad companies. Put in the bikeway and BRT lanes at the same time along I-40 and be done with it.

So disappointing.

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Kind of odd how half of the building has nothing to do with the train station. How often will that big board room be used?

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Is transit funding paying for all of that?

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That station building looks quite far from the platforms. Not an ideal experience for passengers.

This quote from Hillsborough’s “public space and sustainability manager” in the article gives me pause as well:

“I”m really hoping that the train station becomes a destination, not just for people who are coming to visit the staff that’s located in the building or the station itself,”

Does she really believe people will go to the station just to go to the station? What about regular people who just want to take the train somewhere? Why not build a station that serves as a place for people to wait for departing trains and for people to wait for their ride to their final destination when they arrive? This kind of “placemaking” thinking is what gave us Union Station, which is pretty, but not very accessible.

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Before anyone takes this too seriously… 3D models in all white usually means that they’re early-stage renders, and there are no textures assigned to any particular part. This is done on purpose so that people stick to conversations about the concept of the building (as opposed to people complaining about a particular type of wood or glass being used on a particular surface, for example, at a point when such a comment isn’t useful yet).

The article answers that question.

It turns out that these images etc. are based on a presentation to Hillsborough’s Board of Commissioners yesterday (summarized in this abstract. The abstract notes that this is because the Town of Hillsborough specifically intended for the station to be used for official functions including regular meetings:

So… yeah. The big meeting spaces are pretty important.

True, but there’s not much we can do about that. Most of the space is due to NCRR’s right-of-way; it’s rail company-owned land that generally can’t be used for anything other than rail operations. Here’s a zoomed-in version of the map, with the NCRR right-of-way highlighted in red (as well as the phase 1 platform in solid lines, and future platforms/greenway in dotted lines):

I’m curious, though, if they considered swapping places with the parking lot that’s to the northwest of the current design’s station building. That could make the platform slightly closer, though I’m not sure if that’ll be worth it (since that’d make them direct neighbors to an old car dealer and U-Haul).

Here’s the full slide deck. Not much more information about the station building, though, except for more information on how it’s well-lit and conscious of the hilly terrain around it.

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It’s more about the physical constraints that make Hillsborough a place that time forgot.

The center of town is oriented to the Occaneechi Path and the Eno River. But, the terrain was not conducive to having the NCRR pass through the middle, offsetting the original depot to the west side of town.

I think that they’ve made the best decision for a station built using the available land along with the constraints of the ROW. That it will have other civic functions has the chance of energizing the site more so than transit alone.

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