Density / Urban Sprawl

Oof, rent control is a disaster in New York. The amount of old money squatting in rent controlled apartments for peanuts is infuriating.

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Landlords in general are a disaster everywhere.

And Raleigh was a perfectly planned city, we were poorly planned by denying a highway going through downtown imagine the growth if we had that.

That why LA and Houston are in the predicament they are in today.

Raleigh is a poorly planned city but much smaller. It is still early enough that making good planning decisions now can cause it to be vastly better than the cities it’s on track to emulate as it grows.

The lack of a freeway in downtown is a pretty nice thing for the walkability and desirability of downtown. Not sure if your comment is pro or con regarding that…

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Resisting a freeway plowing through our historic center is one of the few things that Raleigh did right in the post war auto age.

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I believe Raleigh as well as Greensboro did a great job to avoid devastation to older hoods and the overall fabric of their cities. The others… especially Durham and Charlotte lost thriving black communities forever.

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Yet blacks are still have a large populations also that other city you mentioned grew quickly. Raleigh has had growth struggles now not every city is guaranteed growth with a highway through it core but it gives them recognition. South Saunders Dawson, and McDowell streets became a freeway if benefit us. Downtown South being close to a highway is good.

Yeah. I’m not really understanding your rationales here. But most cities today are trying to find ways to replace urban freeways and replacing them with boulevards with multiple transportation modes. Raleigh’s issue is getting any real transit going.

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You can thank the suburbanites in this city for doing that for messing up our transit hopes here.

Those cities have grown to the point they have the status as a “Big City” of there highways, those cities hit there populations or there peaks. There already tearing down there highways like in Seattle they are but they are already a big city.

The Triangle cities are what they are today largely because of RTP, not because they either do or don’t have a freeway plowing through their center.
Cases in point. Durham has a freeway while Raleigh doesn’t. Both city centers wallowed for many decades following WW2, and this is despite the fact that downtown Durham also had closer proximity to the Park. The city centers didn’t grow or have any investment because not enough people wanted to be there until the tide started to turn around 25 years ago or so.

There is no fixing RTP either. What’s built is built and I’d call RTP a case of “radical anti-planning”. It will forever be a car dependent sprawlfest. The Hub is cute but it won’t fix what’s already been built, and it’s not on what would be the TTA rail line.

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The logic of destroying a large portion of a city for alleged “growth” does not compute. The ideas are opposed to each other.

Durham is less dense, has less urban grid, and has less mixed-use walkable neighborhoods today than it did in 1940 because of the highway that was built plowing through its center. Some of that land sat vacant for 80 years, or at best, was replaced by car dealerships and low-density development in the form of surface parking-anchored strip malls. What was built – finally – in the last two years in place of the formerly vibrant commercial corridor is soulless, single-use housing complexes with no retail, street life, or destinations. We will never get back what we lost, and it took us more than half a century to replace what was there before with something worse.

Thank god Raleigh didn’t suffer the same fate.

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Present day downtown Durham pretty cool if you ask me. Got a stadium, a real performing arts center, a library, a classic movie based upon its team. 3/4 of apartment bottom retail vacant in Raleigh anyway so why even have it.

I think the Western BRT extension might hit it as well as Boxyard, which is good, at least. Keep doing infill along the line back to the new RTC (and regional rail station) and then you’ll have done some pretty impressive sprawl repair.

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not to be a poop, but can observations of the bad from your examples be mitigated here with different industrial and work site locations in relation to housing? are the densely populated, transit-heavy areas a joy to ride on? and for how long? if there is going to be much more remote work, can the non-remote work be dispersed at a level, so while there may be congestion, the commute will not be as far…in some type of aggregate sense? ususally after 630 rush hour has dissipated, right?

https://www.aei.org/society-and-culture/gen-z-wants-space/

Interesting……

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I’d say that is expected since it’s coming from a center-right think tank. These think tanks usually look for means to their ends. I take it with a grain of salt.
That said, there’s definitely a story to be told about places like NYC and SF having substantial challenges today. I can imagine young people not choosing them at the moment because they’ve lost a lot (since Covid) of what has made superstar city living so desirable to the young. Many businesses have shut down, and the ecosystem that was built on full offices has zapped many of them of their former glory. I wouldn’t want to pay for that right now either, but I don’t think that one can automatically turn that into a narrative of Gen Z wanting to rush to the suburbs. It’s possible to have more space and still be in an urban area, just in less expensive markets like Raleigh.

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So that is from a right wing think tank that initially uses data from its own survey that was conducted during the pandemic in 2021. then it mixes it with Pew data to try to back this up by quoting the total number of americans, even though the Pew data shows fewer younger and educated Americans want larger separated communities in 2023 coming down 10% since 2021.

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…and actually for all demographics the recent trend is away from spread out communities.

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