It would be a conflict if you have the actual developer of a given project for certain…but in the case of our current planning commission makeup you have NOBODY who even understands real estate development, financial markets/commercial lending, or basically what appears to be any business AT ALL.
This is baffling at best case…incompetent at worst.
But MLS considered it, but they didn’t come get that through your skull and there not coming!!! Mr. Garber said if we come to Charlotte were probably not coming to Raleigh, and perhaps maybe we land in Charlotte we might be interested in Raleigh" but here lot of work to do!!! That last part of the sentence was a business ploy every company ir organization does when there not coming to your town. You gotta read the lines, and there are interested developers in MLB there working behind-the-scenes. You’d approve of it if they put in a bid and built a stadium i perfect land when there no problem, with aggressive owners, unlike Malik who only talked to them over/and negotiated poorly on the origins Olán on state property, but the owner of that property the state wasn’t giving Two 
about it. They be aggressive if the state doesn’t work out move on to a new site, Malik thought time worked that when it came out Charlotte had a rejuvenated bid. The investors there gonna be aggressive no site here move on!!! To another plan so they can get it done no soft negotiation like Malik did with the state that produced no fruit s due they didn’t give two rats 
. Okay now I respect Malik but he made too many bad moves in pursuing MLS one of them was over negotiating and taking to much time to people of land who don’t care you suppose to move on ic you’re in competition, Malik didn’t do that!!!
Note that the Raleigh City Council has called a Special Meeting on December 15 at 7:00 P.M. to conduct a public hearing on Downtown South. If you would like to speak publicly in support of the project, please sign up here - https://raleighnc.gov/services/government/public-hearings-city-council-sign-speak#paragraph--311146
Wrote my doctoral thesis on the topic (support of) and submitted to cityclerk@raleighnc.gov as well as Jonathan Melton and Nicole Stewart just for some additional impact.
Dude, I know Malik personally. MLS is NOT off the table for Raleigh…period. End of discussion.
I just signed up to speak in support. It goes a long way to show support, or not, this way so hope to see others here do the same.
And he has another one tonight too. I received the notice in the Five Points CAC mailing list.
I also emailed them in support. Thanks Dan for the reminder
Anyone else get a rejection from the cityclerk email?
Yes, however I also copied mayor and all council members on there as well
From raleighnc.gov website, City Council’s general email is:
citycouncilmembers@raleighnc.gov
I’m resending even though I had CC’d several that seemingly did get the message.
Guys , This is Super concerning all of these support messages . Oak City Dylan , I mailed my support message to Jonathan Melton & Jonathan replied saying that he forwarded my email to the city clerk to be a part of the city record on DTSouth Project support .
I don’t like to be the one to tone-police, but there have been a number of comments in your responses on this topic that haven’t been in keeping with the spirit of civil disagreement that we try to maintain. It’s quite fine to disagree about stuff, that’s what this site is here for, but please, please, please be thoughtful and courteous in the way we speak to other members of the community.
My own .02: It does appear that that MLS to Raleigh is going to be put back in the box for at least a little while, but I don’t think it’s at all fair or accurate to say that the idea is dead. I mean, even just 10 years down the road, who knows what the landscape will look like. It could certainly still happen someday. As for MLB, we have a whole thread on this site devoted to this very topic, spun off from another thread that was largely about that topic! Again, tough to make predictions (especially about the future, as they say), but I think the chances of there ever being a baseball stadium on this particular patch of real estate are nil.
Maybe we need to restructure the Planning Commission or Raleigh City Government in general. Cause there too many NIMBY planning to fight against something for a cost like gentrification when on the inside that not really why there fighting, and too many people not willing to take risk cause there scared to take it cause of Raleigh status quo. I will be writing letters to Jonathan Melton and Nicole Stewart!!!
It really does make me wonder how you get on this Commission if they are “appointed” by the City Council:
Composed of 10 members, nine appointed by the Raleigh City Council and one appointed by the Wake County Board of Commissioners. The County-appointed member must reside in the Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ) of the City. All members serve terms of two years and cannot serve more than three consecutive terms or six consecutive years. Established by GS 160A-362.
I just got this email from “Livable Raleigh” asking for me to support their rejection of this project. I clicked the “BLUE BUTTON” and changed some text around to fit my needs. 
@John, @dtraleigh, @R-Dub, since I had your email addresses, I BCC’d you so you had a copy.
I feel I at least must watch the planning commission discussion that took place this week. I think it starts here but will save it for another day.
Thank you, facts are more important than personal opinion and these are the facts!
All I have to say is that you need to learn to disagree with someone while also respecting them. I didn’t minimize your character because of your opinion so don’t do that. That’s the problem with society everyone wants to criticize and degrade people with differing opinions, sad.
As we expected, NC Central basketball coach LeVelle Morton spoke in favor of favoring this project as a part of Kane’s team. Only one public commenter spoke up in favor of DTS.
Opposing opinions were pretty similar to what people have already said in this thread plus I outlined in an earlier post.
People who just do not want Downtown South no matter what because they think it’ll ruin the “character of the neighborhood”. Commissioner Shelley Winters took care to point out the difference between these opinions and specific, environment-related ones, since they belong in the other group:
People who want changes to the proposal because they think local opinions and/or specific design concerns have not been heard (let alone addressed) by decision-makers.
The commissioners clearly get the value and opportunities of Downtown South; it didn’t sound like they were opposed to the core. But they were also deeply disturbed by how careless and one-sided Kane’s team acted. Like what @orulz explained and sorta like the picture @daviddonovan painted, their rezoning denial is more like a suggestion to go back to the drawing board and rethink how and why they did what they did.
As the county’s appointee commented when she raised a motion to deny the application…
Jennifer Lampman, another first-term commissioner, is more openly sympathetic towards DTS. But even she had to call them out where it hurts.
I think certain people in this community should look at themselves in the mirror and think about this:
And lastly…
But the most memorable and painful comments of 'em all?
This rezoning case will go to City Council next week. But it’s not every day that a rezoning application gets unanimously denied with such strong words…