Five Points, East End Market, & Raleigh Iron Works

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Quite the walk to Costco, interesting location for affordable multi with a parking deck.

It’s a lot faster if you drive.

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Returning to my apartment laden with bulk dry goods like a fur trapper

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This is a perfect example of why people do drive. Our environments are designed to prevent walking.

This is why it’s important to do 2 things:

  1. Leverage our walkable places/infrastructure for as much development as possible.
  2. Consider improving our walkability in places where it’s challenged, and when we have major investment.
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nobody walks to costco unless all they are getting is a slice of pizza. it’s a store whose entire business model is making products as big as possible.

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Said another way, Costcos aren’t typically built in places that even enable walking there.

That said, there’s one in Miami that’s across the street from lots of suburban high rise housing development. If I lived there, I would totally walk to Costco.

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I don’t believe you. You hate walking.

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TBH, it’s all theoretical because I’d never choose to live across the street from a Costco because that would undoubtedly be too suburban for me. At least that’s the case for a city like Raleigh. I don’t ever anticipate Costco putting in an urban model store in the Triangle.

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Fun fact, I’ve never been inside a Costco. I even lived over by this one for 2 years. Doesn’t have any appeal to me (except for my love of driving in non-urban locales). :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

They have cheap gasoline.

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I can count the number of folks who walk to Costco on one hand…..

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Exactly, as a society we are creating a structure that all but guarantees they need a car to live there.

I was using Costco as an example of how the project is not really walkable, so all residents are forced to have a vehicle to live there.

Here’s Wegman’s as the pin to help everyone visualize better.

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Yep, and I’ll say it again….we have to maximize our opportunities for walkability downtown where it’s built for walking. Density in a disconnected node, no matter how dense, will not take enough vehicles off of our streets. This is why density downtown and on its immediately edges is way more important to the city than in nodes like this. More things can be accomplished without a car. That said, I am not saying to NOT densify nodes. I’m just saying that they aren’t as impactful.

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They tore down a Sears Home Care center there behind Weg’s at that Industrial / Six Forks intersection a few years back (under a plan to theoretically put in apartments) and it’s still sitting there fallow. Still, I’d bet not too many of these mythical residents would actually walk to Costco. Not much in there set up to roll back home in a collapsible shopping cart.

*But, yes I hear you and agree that the way we build more often than not dictates a high preference to car mobility.

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That’s a bit far of a walk, but it’s not a bad bike ride at all. Direct access to the greenway would get you all the way to Industrial Drive without encountering a single car. Industrial Drive has bike lanes and is pretty quiet, except for when there’s something going on at the Ritz. I know the City also has plans to improve that stretch of Industrial Drive, though I don’t know if those will ever be realized.

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if thats greenway……its flat and a e-bike or regular bike with baskets….thats a fun grocery trip. bluetooth headphones and some misfits.

Kind of sad about this one, even though I’ve only been there once. Mac’s Speed Shop just abruptly announced they’re closing…wonder if this has anything to do with the recent shooting at the Mac’s in Fayetteville.

As redevelopment interest continues to creep up Atlantic, I can’t imagine it’s anything but a matter of time before it turns the corner at Six Forks, especially if we can get a solid MUP/greenway connection with all the nearby redevelopment activity going on to Iron Works which is only half a mile to the south. The current vision (per the 2030 Comprehensive Plan) is for 7-20 stories along this entire stretch of Industrial.

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I liked what Lonerider/Mac’s did to renovate that space, but I thought the service was really poor the 2x I’d been to Mac’s. Ended up spending close to 1.5 hours there each time just to order one entree and a beer or two when I was one of maybe 8-10 people in the place. I also think whoever moves in there next needs to do a much better job of advertising the parking options in the area (like the lot behind the building for this space).

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