Five Points, East End Market, & Raleigh Iron Works

Having a normal one online, getting frothy mad because I can’t walk to this development from my house.

The city probably needs to improve the Whitaker interchange in connection with this development but that’s not the developer’s problem.

If I understand correctly we are upset that we can’t walk to this from Mordecai? There’s more than half a mile between the two including North and South bound lanes of capital blvd and the train tracks.

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That is disappointing. At the very least, all of these cool new projects (Iron Works, Dock 1053, East End Market) need to be connected for pedestrians. I acknowledge the need for parking, but walking needs to at least be an option.

I’m in favor of most of these projects, but IMO Sidewalks should be an absolute minimum, and no rezoning or site plan for any commercial development should be approved without them.

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I don’t know about 99% but it would help. I ran from Mordecai over the Atlantic bridge using the new bike lanes today. It was not a pleasant experience and would not advise walking it. I got honked at by a truck for some reason. As you pointed out, there are also no sidewalks or shoulders on Whitaker between Snoopy’s and Lynnwood Brewing which is disconnecting all of Five Points. That strip seems to be changing quickly though.

As far as walkability to the north and east, I wish they could find a way to connect to the Gateway Plaza area around the Salvation Army. If you’re on foot, at Mordecai Beverage for example, what could be 0.3mi walk is 2.75mi. Adding sidewalks on Capital around this area would help a ton.

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I’m confused. Does this mean no pedestrian bridge or no sidewalks? I thought new developments were required to put in sidewalks on the street adjoined to their lot. This does not mean that they need to install it all down Atlantic, or Whitaker Mill. I get the frustration about the pedestrian bridge, but North Hills doesn’t have one and it’s a bigger development.

The #8 bus is expected to be routed down this way so it should be decently connected in the future (mid 2020s I think?).

I would only expect the developer to put in sidewalks on their lots and along the street. Once more development (doesn’t have to be tall towers) comes in, then the area should naturally become more walkable.

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Nice. I can see the crossing over to Capital here. Maybe they’re going to keep this open after all.
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Other side of the tracks. No particular order.

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Dang, I must have been riding your coat tails today. I rode over to this project right after lunch. I grew up near here.

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I think I was following you. I posted these pretty immediately after taking them.

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The general connectivity is really frustrating with this area. It is so close to everyone (me included) on the east side of Capital Blvd. But, just no safe way to get there without driving!

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Then it’s the perfect location for the driving party crowd that’s been coming to downtown for years. :wink:

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Those people seem very attached to Glenwood South. let them be! :rofl:

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Have car, will travel.
Encourage drivers to go to car dependent places.

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$1,000,000 for THIS?? On 0.18 acre – gotta be assuming tear down, right? and 3-4 new homes? (would have to be tall and narrow like Caraleigh Commons) Or maybe townhomes?

With current R-10 zoning, at 7840 square feet, it falls just short of a double lot because you need 4000 square feet per house. It meets all other criteria. If you could get a variance for this 160 square feet, or buy a strip of property from the backyard of the neighbors, it could be done. Without this, it’s a 1:1 teardown for single family. The variance option seems tempting but the board of adjustment is probably nowhere near as YIMBY as city council.

Two townhomes would be allowed by right with R-10 zoning, but I’m not sure how the overlay district affects this.

Rezoning is the other possibility.

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No - I would think tear down and one new house that takes up the lot. Like the house right next door, except it would be wide versus deep. That’s what the market is right now.

I must be missing something because the Wake County Real Estate page says the land value here is $288K. House is only $129K so I’m not sure who would pay $1M for this lot. They can get something much cheaper elsewhere in desirable neighborhoods.

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Yea, fully expecting the 1:1 mega mansion but just wild thinking about the end product if just the land is $1million.

lot size ~60’ x 135’ could easily fit 4 of these… but would definitely be an uphill battle with all the regulations.

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That’s what made me think more density, numbers don’t seem to work for 1 house. Tear down further back in the neighborhood (1825 Reaves) just went for $450k this summer for bigger lot (0.2 ac).