Probably information overload for most people but Raleigh Open Data has a map of every GoRaleigh bus stop: GoRaleigh Bus Stops
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Not just a map but pop-up info for each stop, including stop/shelter number and amenities.
Nice!
FYI, we, Oaks and Spokes, ended up cancelling this because GoTriangle is running a short schedule tomorrow due to snow.
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Not even enforcing the no smoking rule at the Goraleigh bus station any more. At least 4 people smoking including one dude next to a child.
Why people don’t want to ride the bus…
Entire goraleigh platform littered with cigarette butts.
The two or so cops and dozens of GoRaleigh employees just doing nothing.
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People even sometimes smoke on the bus 
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80% or so of the bus riders are considered low or very low income. I’ll give them this. Puff away.
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I spoke with a couple of GoRaleigh folks at one of the recent Safe Streets for All meetings. They provided some information on the 2 (my most frequent route):
- Buses will run every 15 mins starting later thing year
- New stop at Lafayette Village
- Re-routed to run in parallel
All exciting news to me! I didn’t get specifics on the route change, but I’m assuming they meant this section of the route near Five Points:
I haven’t seen any news on this elsewhere, so thought I’d share.
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I disagree on this. 18.3% of low income people smoke. That’s less than 1 out of 5.
If it’s strictly low income people using GoRaleigh, then we are catering to less than 1/5 people by allowing smoking and making the experience significantly worse for 80+% of the riders. It also adds additional litter and makes the entire bus station look worse.
Approximately 8% of adults and 7% of children have asthma. Smoking makes the experience significantly worse for them.
There are additional studies that show that asthma is also higher in low-income groups. It might be related to them smoking more than medium and high income people as well, so not sure it belongs. It’s about 11.4% for people below the poverty line.
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Out to Lafayette Village… but not all the way to WakeMed North, eh? Seems that would be a very strong northern anchor for this route.
Also. As far as rerouting ITB. Does the 2 really need to serve Whitaker Mill and Five Points?
Here is my suggestion involving the 2, 6, and 8.
The 6 is fine.
Get the 8 off of St Mary’s and Lassiter Mill. It’s slow, narrow, and although I haven’t ridden the 8 much at all, never so aw anybody ride it through there. it seems like a really odd route to run a bus. Move it onto Glenwood, Whitaker Mill, Wake Forest, and Six Forks.
Move the 2 off of Wade, Whitaker Mill and Glenwood, keep it on Capital all the way until Wake Forest Road. That bus has to go waaay up Falls of Neuse, this will save quite a few minutes. With the run time savings, extend it to WakeMed North. WakeMed North being at the veery end of a meandering “connector” route seems… unfortunate.
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maybe that is a streamlined change? im not completely sure. as a former long time bus rider in raleigh, cp an l and cat…for me and my folks frequency was nice, we dealt with what it was at the time but even more important to us was distance to walk to a stop. now we were in brentwood or longview and perhpas the income levels at these areas just had more bus ridership?
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are density changes soon in the works so to speak on the changes you mention? is the goal getting generally 1/4 mile or less for most routes to a bus stop?
The 2 going down Whitaker Mill may provide transfer opportunities to go down GWS. This may keep commute times down for some riders if they are going that way without needing to transfer at GoRaleigh station.
For the 8, this kind of would kill a more direct connection between GWS and North Hills (or at least make the ride time longer). I don’t know if I would necessarily want to sacrifice service closer downtown to serve up past 540 to WakeMed North. I don’t know if they would really have the ridership demand up there. Not to mention Falls of Neuse Rd being a big fast road. I’m also not saying that I don’t think they shouldn’t necessarily have bus service either.
I’m not disagreeing, but these are just thoughts that come to mind.
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I have a friend I go to Church with who takes the 24L, so excited to see the routes that feeds to go frequent 
But so far it seems like they don’t want to walk for the 2 or the 8.
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This is awesome. I take the #2 when I drop my car off for service up there (to go wait back at home), or sometimes when I want to go to Wegmans. Gets really busy, was always surprised it isn’t more frequent.
The 15-min routes are an absolute game changer.
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I think we need to keep a bus line running along St Mary’s/Lassiter Mill to serve the fairly large community of domestic help that commutes to/from that area for work everyday…
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No, don’t take my bus stop on Lassiter Mill by where it crosses the Crabtree Creek Trail! I’ve taken it a few times back up to Six Forks after a bike ride on the trail.
But in all seriousness, I kind of agree with you. As somebody who rides the #8 frequently, I find it bizarre that it goes through probably the wealthiest areas of the ITB (where people are least likely to ride the bus), and besides me, I’ve only seen two people board or get off along St. Mary’s and Lassiter Mill in the past YEAR.
From what I know from the short-term plan they published a few years back, the plan is to reroute the #8 along Atlantic Avenue, then along Six Forks to North Hills, while also bumping up the frequencies to every 15 minutes. From there, an 8A bus will continue the rest of the way up Six Forks to Strickland Rd, with 30 minute frequencies. Personally, I’d rather they just continue the #8 like it does now and have the Six Forks corridor get 15 minute frequencies like all the other major North Raleigh have or are getting.
Strangely enough, that plan also called for redoing the #16 to run from Centennial Campus up Pullen, Oberlin, and then St. Mary’s and Lassiter Mill, where the #8 goes now, to North Hills to hook up with the new #8. And also get 15 minute frequencies? Okay, fine by me, I guess.
The plan for the #2 is to eventually extend it to WakeMed North, and for a 2L to continue from there all the way to Wake Forest, basically a local counterpart to the WRX. When will that happen, don’t know.
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Complete change of subject… but some day I’d like to see the transfer center at Moore Square shut down permanently, and relocated to the site of the City Hall parking deck.
I think somebody on here previously suggested this and I just can’t let go of the idea that the city should do this as they gradually redevelop their municipal complex.
I think that this would be much better than the current spot, from nearly every perspective.
- Closer to the geographical center of DTR
- Directly between Dawson/McDowell on the main north-south spine, and closer to the Edenton/Morgan main east-west spine, which means much faster ingress and egress for buses
- It’s city owned property so no acquisition needed
- The deck is old (built 1985) and parking decks don’t last forever
- The deck has an enormous half-block footprint, but only three levels - so it’s an extraordinarily inefficient use of space
- The huge footprint is a plus because it allows the city to build a larger station! (Even including intercity buses??)
- This is actually where the old Union Bus Station was located! (Built 1940, demolished ~1985 to build the deck)
- Only a couple blocks from Union Station and RUSBUS so the walking connection is better. Close enough that we don’t even need to think about shuttles connecting the two together.
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You’re not wrong but Moore Square is a closer walk for me 
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Perhaps the city could consider selling part or all of the Moore Square block parking deck once closed. Or have the city go in with a developer and rebuild the Moore Square and sell or lease out the air rights for something like what we hope for at Union Station.
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so when doable, get the routes to dodge high income areas for speed on other streets and where lower income sites might be, slow the route down for easier access to bus stops?