I actually think it’s part of the central point. How often do bus breakdowns happen?
The riders are the most important people to listen to here. The station should unequivocally be for them. There’s no reason why we can’t have a central bus transfer facility similar to the Raleigh Union Sstation.
There should be clear sightlines for security and it should be a comfortable area for the riders to wait for their transfer. From some of the stories I’ve read, a lot of the riders have to keep their heads on a swivel.
Here’s an example of how a more modern bus station design tackles that with a sawtooth layout for the buses. Buses line up at an angle so that they don’t impede traffic. Not sure if this would help this specific situation.
Good first steps are the Midtown Transit Center (construction starting, I believe, in FY27?) and the renovation of the mini hub at TTC. Plus many routes being upgraded with 15-minute headways. But yeah, as I’ve stated here before, I agree that it doesn’t seem like a huge route network rework at the moment is at all feasible or desirable.
Oh man, and that looks like a CNG bus. So it can’t even be that old! I saw one of the old 2013 diesels on the #9 being towed from its stop the other day outside of Bloc 83. Seems like there are at least 15 new buses that have been delivered in 2025-2026, so I’m kind of surprised that all of the 13XX buses haven’t been retired yet.
To compare us to Charlotte, I had to relax my definition of frequent to every 30 minutes, since they appear to only had one route that met the definition being every 15 but amongst those routes, I think we compare pretty favorably to Charlotte.
This is GoRaleigh (no GoTriangle or connecting agencies):
Read the article in Raleigh magazine regarding the station & National trend away from the need for a central hub…..probably for the same reasons we no longer need it.
Charlottes was built in the 90’s. My point was BoA literally had the station moved AWAY from their HQ……why??? I think we all know the answer: “Bad for business”
I think both of you are agreeing with each other while the other side is saying something else.
Most cities are moving away from a single central hub towards more distributed hubs. Right now, if you’re in some areas of north Raleigh and need to move to northeast Raleigh, but the bus you take doesn’t go there, you get bussed into the Moore Square bus station and make a transfer.
There would still be hubs, it’s just they would be more localized. Instead of getting bussed into downtown Raleigh to make a transfer, you’ll get bussed into somewhere in north or northeastern Raleigh to make a transfer.
That’s something that would take a lot of effort though. This specific situation would call for there to be another bus station with modern amenities. Not sure if they’d design it for more central or distributed, but they’d probably make a decision before they built it. It should probably be somewhere close-ish to the current station, but with better access to higher-volume roads.
Convenient for service needs or convenient for those who don’t want to see and experience the environment it currently cultivates? In terms of future and planned BRT services, this location seems to be the most ideal location.
However, I do believe that the existing station needs to be downsized for future BRT and existing 15 minute routes and/or enclosed (similar to RUSBUS but with ticketing restrictions).
My issue with this discussion is timing. Like, now we’re thinking about alternatives for this station’s location? Team, the BRT has been planned around this station for years. It’s too late in the game to be having this discussion regardless of where you stand, unless you don’t see the BRT route as something anchoring this station to its current location.
Yup. You are right. In a lot of planning docs, especially related to BRT, it just seems like downtown Raleigh is a box. The routes just “go there” with, what appears, very little thought to how they run in and out.
The issue has now been forced on us rather than we execute to a plan.
The city of Raleigh plans to develop the Municipal Deck on Morgan Street just behind City Hall. The is going to ask developers for concessions, why not take this opportunity to build a modern, fully sealed and secure, BRT-capable bus station in a more centralized location. An underground station ideally with ramps going down to the station from McDowell and Dawson. McDowell and Dawson are way better, higher capacity and bigger streets. Way more ideal to handle articulated bus traffic than the current GoRaleigh bus station location. Sure it’s not cheap but it not that expensive. Charlotte is going to spend $3.8+ billion dollars for more rail transit, yet the City of Raleigh can’t stomach spending $100 million on literally the only real public transportation the city of Raleigh has?
Here’s Wroclaw’s regional bus station, it’s underground, built for low cost as a concession for a mall developer to build a high-end mall on top of it. Wroclaw is no capital city, it’s not even the 2nd or 3rd most important city in Poland. So really Raleigh should have more.
That is indeed a very nice looking facility. I also love the name in polish, autobusoway!
I honestly dont know the answer here. The one goal should be a clean and safe hub for the people who rely on public transit. If that induces more folks to use the bus, great. But regular users, particularly those with out other options, deserve clean, bright, and safe.
First, this happens in all cities. Everyone needs to realize that the City and our leaders have 1,000 problems that they have to somehow fix or remediate with limited funds and a sprawling landscape. Everyone’s favorite “model” city, internationally, has funding gaps. It’s not just a “Raleigh” thing.
Second, it is important to express our concerns to our leaders but also consider the possible hurdles to some of the delayed progress. The city is incapable of being perfect, similar to us as individuals.
We don’t have a resource issue. Raleigh is in a privileged position, continuing to attract people and business, growing the tax base every year. It’s a virtuous cycle with no signs of stopping. Council has long stopped entertaining negative ROI annexations.
So it’s a resource allocation issue. Not to over simplify but most cities aren’t sustaining growth like Raleigh. Funding reasonable things like this here just can’t be that difficult once leaders align on a solution. I thought the chief’s resource comment was somewhat lazy.
Dawg the city still turns the other cheek at putting in/fixing s i d e w a l k s - what makes you think Raleigh will ever plan ahead for better transit? Get over it, y’all. BRT was planned 15 years ago or whatever to utilize the then outdated Moore Sq Station and just now getting around to maybe starting on it. Raleigh will forever be 20 years behind the ball. Moore Sq Station isn’t going anywhere.
I’ll just say this, there will not be any more State funds for bike/ped projects until 2035. That’s the reality of the situation.
Also, NCDOT Divisions cover multiple municipalities so the Apex Peakway SE Connector was competing with projects in Raleigh and Wake Forest for this past funding cycle. All municipalities depend on the State to provide 80% of the funding for all of their major projects, from sidewalk to transit projects.
I say this to give an example of how transportation funding works in NC. This is one of many reasons why Charlotte just passed a whole cent tax referendum to help fund major transportation projects.
The City of Raleigh does not and can not fund every project that is “just $100 million”.
God forbid we fund any type of transportation project in this state that is not car oriented. What backwards thinking and a crock of .
Regarding the bus station. Why can’t we have a constructive discussion in this city about how to solve the issue in good faith, without everyone getting up in arms about how it’s marginalizing bus riders, claims of class warfare or some other hot button rage baiting. But I guess that’s the sate of politics in this country in 2026.
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