All you’re saying is that despite Charlotte being in the same state, North Carolina, with the same DOT, NCDOT, as Raleigh, they’re getting shit done with the same limitations as Raleigh.
Even in a situation with more outlying bus hubs than we currently have, and fewer bus routes going downtown, there’s no near-term conceivable situation with zero bus layovers happening downtown.
The spot I’ve been suggesting (first suggested by @Francisco) is the municipal parking deck along Morgan Street between Dawson and McDowell. Hard to think of how this location is worse from a transportation perspective than Moore Square. If anything, it’s better.
It’s true that we’re planning and building specific BRT routes downtown based the current location at Moore Square, and those would have to be revised if the GoRaleigh bus hub were moved. That would have a cost, which I assume would be bundled in with the cost of building the bus hub itself.
- Buses get in and out of downtown very quickly because they access the hub via Dawson and McDowell, which have timed stoplights. Get rid of the curbside parking along these streets, and put a dedicated bus lane in its place.
- This is close enough to RUSBUS and Union Station that buses no longer need to try to serve both. Riders could just do the 3 minute walk between them.
- It’s a large enough site that, with demolition of the parking deck, intercity buses could possibly be moved back downtown.
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Raleigh would have a stronger voice and be a much more powerful city if it engulfed the 300+ square miles around it like Charlotte did. Imagine if just Cary, Apex, Garner, and Morrisville were in the city of Raleigh? The city would have well over 800K people in 260 square miles. The city’s voice would be stronger and it would have the resources to be bolder and more robust in the pursuit of transit solutions. Then again, it would have to manage even more suburban voices within the city limits in that pursuit. But, if Charlotte could do that with that many suburban people in its limits, then so could Raleigh.
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The recent transit tax was voted on by all of Mecklenburg County, not just those in Charlotte.
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W are Vs in Polish and Ł sounds like W. Very interesting language, also one of the hardest languages to learn for an English speaker.
The way you pronounce your name can even change depending on the context.
For Anna:
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Anna – nominative (subject: “Anna is here”)
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Anny – genitive (possession/absence: “Anna’s book” / “there is no Anna”)
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Annie – dative (indirect object: “I gave it to Anna”)
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Annę – accusative (direct object: “I see Anna”)
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Anną – instrumental (with/by means of: “I’m talking with Anna”)
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Annie – locative (about/at: “I’m thinking about Anna”)
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Anno – vocative (direct address: “Hey, Anna!”)
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This could happen with approval from NCDOT to use their roadways. Plus the Transit Planning Advisory Committee (TPAC), CAMPO boards, and etc. would have to approve a project like this in order for Wake Transit funds to be utilized.
That would all take a couple of years and be realized after New Bern is completed.
The issue is Raleigh surrounds itself with incompetent yes men, who want everything to be car oriented, and all they do is listen to suburbanites who are prejudice and are anti growth or anti progressivist. Most Raleigh residents would like to address transit but until Raleigh can get over surrounding itself with surrounding themselves non progressive people who are yes mem and don’t listen to everybody else we will be behind. I point this out to my mom and other people with the mindset like her about how we should be taking points from Charlotte but in there heads they like deflect and say why can’t we be our own city and not like them.
There is incompetence in city government and too many comfortable folks, If I was in office I serve people who want transit and ignore everyone else let people like my mom and other abandon them let there neighborhoods have nothing while everyone else who wants it serve them if they ask for it. We have to be separatist these people are a loud minority they scream and cry to get there way, Charlotte what they did is serve people who want it and listened to people who didn’t want it by pleasing both sides. They didn’t let them get there way by letting a loud minority speak for the entire city, If that neighborhood don’t want it then another can have it until Raleigh knows how to segregate itself and community we’ll never progress. That why you think we act like a1950s small town.
Unfortunately in today’s politics there are now lines drawn. It literally evident in our council everything is divided.
No we just have to be neighborhood against neighborhood, if one neighborhood doesn’t want it we don’t serve them and let it have there way while another neighborhood that want it we give to them.
Raleigh listens to a very vocal minority who thinks they can speak for everyone. Unless we get on council members to see for the whole city we won’t survive the city is divided it reflect our council also it’s about to be 3 livable Raleigh folks and 5 progressive folks we are divided.
Yeah, but Charlotte voters dominate Mecklenburg County. Raleigh is only about 40% of Wake County.
That why we should annex Apex, Cary and Wake Forest but I doubt that’ll happen.
Yeah…I don’t think that’s how it works. But you get points for thinking outside the box.
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As long as we’re talking about political impossibilities, a scenario that would make more sense is to merge Cary, Morrisville, north Raleigh outside 440, and Wake Forest.
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I really hate riding GoRaleigh it really is run by lazy people today I was waiting for the 1 at it new stop on peace/halifax me and a rider saw the bus and it went the opposite direction I have a photo of it going the other direction, that rider and I were very confused. This was the second time me and a rider were confused by route 1/14 changes yesterday I told a man about this change he had no idea that happened and was confused. He figured it out he had some not so nice words to say.
This is what I mean by Raleigh is ran by incompetent yes people GoRaleigh couldn’t informed the media about these changes, not just put some piece of paper on a stop sign. You cannot be that lazy it’s why people don’t take us seriously.
Apparently staff knows that Google doesn’t update our dataset often enough, and that’s why they tell everyone to use the Transit App but like digging into our GTFS Data, our old schedule is still marked as valid and I wouldn’t expect Google to necessarily update it before March 31st. We’re also supposed to update it in the Google form about a week before it takes effect but I often feel like we don’t use any of the advanced features of GTFS, like detours or announcements, basically just vehicle location and timetable. We did use GTFS announcements for the March service changes, but not in a useful way and didn’t even name the new route.
Edit: it shows up now, of day 3/24
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No there literally was a piece of paper at the bus stop telling people about the changes why can’t you guys just go on the news. Or create an app. Makes me want to join the transit committee I have some ideas.
@Yimbyforlife If you do one thing good for me it would be to share all this in the survey. They don’t read this forum but they read this.
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i rode those busses for many years….i cant recall a breakdown at the MSS itself. usually midroute and as some other bus had to be sent out to fetch us. eh…happens anywhere i guess
I do think it’s worth looking at where everyone falls in ridership.
CATS - 15.68M
GoRaleigh - 7.99M
GoDurham - 6.74M
Chapel Hill Transit - 4.3M
NC State Wolfline - 4M to 5M
UNC Charlotte Niner Transit - 2.6M
ECU transit - 2.5M
GoTriangle - 1.5M
AppalCART - 1.5M
FAST - 1.3M
Winston Salem Transit Authority - 1.3M
High Point Transit - 528K
CK Rider - 525K
PART - 375K
GoCary - 300K
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When is this as of? I always thought that Chapel Hill Transit was ahead of GoRaleigh
All of them are 2025 data except NC State (that data is estimated based on previous data)
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