ITB New Home Builds

Almost a million dollars. For that.

That’s just some gold rush type ish, right there…SMDH

Love how there’s about 3 windows LMAO

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I know it’s a sellers market but that is just going to sit and sit. Maybe 650-700 based on comps

The big redeeming quality is that rooftop with view but other than that, did an elementary school flipper do this? Exterior finishes are so cheap. Inside finishes aren’t even good for that price.

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Can someone message them and tell them we can get them some better skyline night photos? We can have our next meetup there. Win win.

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Looks like something in the works on the north edge of Glenwood South. Applications for demolition for 3 houses (in the historic district).

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Seriously though, what is this nonsense?

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Feels like that won’t be a problem, even in the historic district. Those are pretty nondescript.

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I think that is the ole “crap forgot to take a rooftop night picture here this is good.”

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Good spot for some nice brownstones

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That second one reminds me of this for some reason.

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You have to pay extra for exterior design.

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A new build near me is doing (what I think is) something interesting with a lot that used to have a small single family home. The lot used to look like this



And now there are two Single Family homes with what looks like an ADU over a garage with one. So I think a 1 home to 3. Might just be a garage, but it got me thinking about how the ability to now do duplexes would have made this 1 to 5!

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I think that when/where we have transit stations, or when we create more self contained walkable communities, pushing 1 unit to 5 where possible is going to be a great solution (where land allows). Until then, conversions like that would also push us from 1 to 5 cars or more. It’s a problem that needs to be solved.

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I think we just see this from opposite directions. I want to see more built environments that can support walkable retail, commercial, and transit ridership. I moved to this neighborhood because it has a great bus line downtown, and you can bike (especially Ebike) everywhere around downtown or this general area. So to me there is a positive feedback for more density here. It makes having even better transit more justified and makes local restaurants or commercial more doable. I have a neighbor who tells me that the old empty building near the Greenway would never be a brewery because we don’t have the density here to justify it :rofl:.

I get the sense you are less concerned about making those things viable (or just don’t see this type of density as an important factor) and have more of a “loss aversion” viewpoint (with regards to smaller neighborhood density changes). Where possible negative externalities outweigh the gains it could provide to the other things I mentioned. I just read this strong towns article which made me think about it. Check it out. It is a pretty interesting article. Feels like it was written about our literal convo. The Duplex Next Door Is Normal. The One Not Yet Built Is a Threat.

The big reason I bring all this up is because I literally chose this area for the great bus service, so I am puzzled when it is described as an area needing transit before anything could change ha!

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As someone who hasn’t lived in a single family neighborhood since leaving for college at 18, I don’t have a “loss aversion” viewpoint. Since 1996, I’ve owned condos downtown after having lived in apartments nearby (ITB) since graduating from State.
I am, however, someone who has a transit viewpoint when it comes to densifying suburbia, and that viewpoint is that the transit solutions should be leading densification, not trailing it. From a traffic perspective (as least from my experience), there’s nothing worse than car dependent, unwalkable, dense suburbia. With those transit stops, I am a huge proponent of major residential densification at these nodes that afford hundreds and hundreds of residents a 5 minute walk to a station to access that infrastructure, as well as creating services that will increase walkscores at these locations and reduce car use demand.
FWIW, I have yet to see that sort of densification happening out the New Bern BRT route.

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The people have already been born, their cars are already here. The question is whether they drive 20,000 miles a year living in sprawl, or 10,000 miles a year in town… and eventually fewer.

And unfortunately, we can’t time the new houses and the new bus lines to arrive at exactly the same moment. The days of private companies spending their own dime to build transit lines first, and making it up on houses later, are gone. The key reason why TTA’s regional rail proposal was rejected for federal funding is that the ridership projections were abysmal compared to other projects… because the population & job density just wasn’t there yet. We need to show up with both, and we can because they’re different jobs for different people.

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I think this is a point that is missed a lot. For most people the transition won’t be from 2 cars per household to 0 right away. Since moving downtown from Brier Creek my wife and I have gone from probably 15+ car trips per week to ~1 per week (and the trips are shorter on average) and have sold one of our cars. But, to visit nearby family in North Raleigh and Durham, there is no bus route that gets us even within an hour walk (and there are no sidewalks or reasonably safe/low-speed places to bike along that route anyway), so for now we still need to own at least one vehicle. The number of cars we own has dropped by only 50%, but the amount of traffic, emissions, noise, risk to cyclists/pedestrians and other negative externalities we are generating has dropped by probably 95%+.

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The New Bern thread has photos of denser places already built in the last year or two and there are more already zoned and on the way (the larger ones are understandably taking more time to come out of the ground). There’s another one right before the credit union that is currently under site development. Most of these were all SFs or duplexes a few years ago. Would probably be even more if the New Bern-Edenton Overlay District hadn’t been a hold up.

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Permits for 2 new sfh at 165 and 169 Prospect. Being built by RED Realty Group, same builder of 1416 Fayetteville St.

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