Fair question. I didn’t include it for these purposes since this was meant to reflect tower projects of 10+ stories, also very arbitrary. I guess I’d put it around 9 or 10? I haven’t seen anything else about it since it was announced, but it hasn’t been very long.
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I went to the Martin Street/Depot rezoning neighborhood meeting last week. This is just a clean-up rezoning to bring in one sliver of a parcel into compliance zoning wise. While this rezoning will put them behind by 6 months, I do think this is a 5 year completion projection. Anticipated build start time is 18 months. No changes to the project. Preservation of the Depot and adjoining warehouse buildings and rebuild of the remaining site.
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Thanks for the info, good stuff. I had to go back and make sure I hadn’t included it, but that was only because I hadn’t seen any renderings or confirmation of their plans outside of the rezoning. It does seem like it’s got some good momentum behind it.
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It’s interesting to watch pockets of South Raleigh develop and how roads, topography, and rail lines are creating geographic barriers.
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I think it’s really great to see development shape in each of these nodes with a specific identity to each as they develop. It creates a patchwork that will eventually come together to create distinct areas of activity. This is something that NHills won’t have and I think this is what creates real livability in a downtown core.
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If the city could finally get some traction on BRT West along MLK/Western it would have the potential to facilitate movement between either side instead of dividing North and South.
I’m not sure what the plan is for the 2 city-owned parcels between Dawson and McDowell (on either side of peace) are but either would plug a huge hole.
Also worth noting that City Gateway would go right up to MLK (at a right angle with McDowell). And I believe there’s potential for Heritage Square to take over the Dawson interchanges, turning it into a square loop (à la intersection of Peace and Capital).
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(I think this is the right thread.)
This is still in beta, but here’s an interactive map of all the NCDOT projects currently underway: Projects Near Me | ncdot.gov
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I thought this was an interesting article about the hype/stall cycle downtown and how it pushes businesses out with nothing actually happening.
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The biggest projects are the Creamery and Omni which are under construction, so I don’t agree one bit.
This is why I’m always cautioning us from reinforcing a narrative like this with our dialogue here. Our “discussion” turns into “online sentiment” which turns into perception and then news outlets talk about it. I’m so over it.
Again, what are our two biggest projects? And are they stalled?
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Shoot, I’d argue our current biggest projects are, like you said, Creamery tower, Omni Hotel, and then I’d add the Red Hat Amph. 2.0 - so that’s 3 for 3. With the City Hall tower topped out and nearing exterior completion, and the UNC HQ building topped out, that’s another 2 huge projects underway. So arguably Top 5 “biggest” projects are doing fine.
But now let’s talk about the RUSbus tower… embarrassing state of affairs. The Nash Condos were, at one time, the Nash Apartments and twice as tall. No longer, nor has anything even started. So while our “biggest” projects are, indeed, in full swing - it’s not a perfect record.
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I will admit I didn’t read everything, but our biggest stalled project is the old N&O building. That eyesore is horrible and 100% negatively impacts everything around it.
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Yeah I would say the Rus tower is the embarrassing one. We need a reset there. Absurd they cannot get it done.
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Today’s Triangle Business Journal has an article stating that a New York Developer will build a tower in our downtown & that the city has approved this project.
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No one is claiming there aren’t projects moving forward downtown. The discussion is about the many, many projects that got rezonings, renderings, hype, and even demolition or removal of existing businesses… And then have stalled for years or been cancelled. This isn’t sentiment, this is a very real and documented scenario that happens again and again in downtown Raleigh. It doesn’t seem to happen much in downtown Durham, downtown Cary, or North Hills, which is really all I pay attention to for developments. Maybe it happens in other cities, I’m sure it does, and I am not arguing it’s a problem with Raleigh. But it is definitely frustrating to see the empty lots and the downsized projects (like the 36 story Nash Square Apartments).
Basically developers want an endless parade of cheap credit, cheap supplies, cheap labor, and rising rents to actually build any of the things they propose. Barring that, we get the occasional generic midrise, and a few speciality projects like government funded buildings (city hall, Omni that was pushed by the city, education campus, amphitheater, convention center). The Creamery building is great, and typical of our once per decade tall building. But it doesn’t make up for the 20 stalled or cancelled or downsized projects.
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This may sound crazy, but what if we on this forum are too connected behind the scenes with the preliminary construction documents.
My roommate on Glenwood south during the 2010s moved to Sweden a few years ago and recently visited and couldn’t believe all the new construction and recent progress. He couldn’t believe one of the tallest buildings in Raleigh is being built on Glenwood south. BRT had started, a new Amphitheater downtown was nearing completion which ends with a new Convention center expansion, Omni hotel, City Hall. There’s a long list for someone who hasn’t been here in a few years and brings perspective to those of us who obsess over floor counts and building heights.
Let’s say hypothetically a few of those projects came to full fruition, what then? What does that change Nash square is 20 floors instead of 32 floors? It’s now condos instead of apartments so that’s better in my mind. I can argue Goodnights and N&O lot are the only real loss where nothing is replacing those anytime soon, everything else being developed, just not the speed we here would like.
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I can’t open the article, but is this the property that is being discussed? If so, this could be really interesting to have two 20 story buildings rising literally across Dawson Street from each other.
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The plan the whole time has been to not touch the historic buildings facing Martin. Here’s the massing from 2022
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@JLambertMelton any insight if there’s been any movement on the Union West / RUS Bus tower project?
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I don’t know . Sorry.