Peace Street Condos

Its really hard to imagine any with out at least 1 per condo, save a retirement place.

For all of the complaining you guys do about too much parking, now this project doesnā€™t have enough. Thereā€™s just no pleasing some people.:wink:

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No one has complained about this. Just observing and commenting.

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Agreedā€¦ I, for one, am happy to know this will be mostly building/less deck, instead of the other way around as most downtown projects seem to be.

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Wanting to see a future with less dependency on cars is not an attack on cars or drivers. Itā€™s simply embracing a vision where there would be OTHER choices than requiring a car. That said, and at this time, itā€™s simply baffling to understand how someone would choose to build ā€œluxuryā€ condos without having at least one parking space per unit because there simply are not other reasonable transportation options available at this time.
In comparison to The Paramount next door, there are 2 parking spaces for every condo with 2 or more bedrooms. IMO, the developer and architect achieved this without making the building look like it has units sitting on top of a parking pedestal.

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Iā€™m guessing the development group originating out of the DC area might have something to do with this as well. Whatā€™s expected or needed in the DC area in terms of car dependency are less than they are here.

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If thatā€™s the case, then they didnā€™t do their due diligence on the local market.

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Orrrr, just let the market decide? Yall donā€™t think they could find 5 people who want an urban condo and donā€™t have a car? So maybe they only sell 19 of the 24 condos? Let them make that bet.

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If they put in something similar to the Revison Hotel and not something similar to The Wadeā€¦ that will be horrible in my opinion. This stretch of road between St. Marys and West has such potential. Would love to see more of the Cameron Crest style homes or The Wade with ground floor restaurant/retail come in. That would be beautiful.

Side note: Anyone think the college area (cornerstone bars, etc) will ever return to Hillsborough St area?

One of the worst things about Revisn (among many terrible things) is how narrow and awkward the sidewalk feels in front of it. The hotel feels way too crowded to the street and itā€™s all just a mess with so many things going on across their small street frontage. I hope that this sort of mess doesnā€™t get repeated for this project. The Peace Street streetscape plan should be the control for the Peace St. side, but that needs to be replicated along the Boylan side as well.

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I personally donā€™t think theyā€™ll go back to Hillsborough St. Based on where most of the student housing is, it is a drive/Uber to both Glenwood or Hillsborough St. If there were too be a major relocation of the college bars, I think it would be more likely to go to the Gorman/Avent ferry area, but that would require a complete change in the type of development in that area which I find unlikely in the next 20 years.

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You are correct. Their bet. Itā€™s not just 5 units with no parking, but only 0.8 spots per unit. Some 2 bedroomers will want two. And what about retail parking?

Iā€™m betting they run into issues selling them when they have no more parking to sell (making the big assumption that you buy a spot separate from your unit).

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I agree. As someone who does his best to limit the amount of time in a car, I still canā€™t live without one and have the freedom to do what I want on my terms. The transit options just arenā€™t there for me to completely rid myself of a car without spending a lot of money on ubers.

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Peace Street elevation.

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5 stories - even appears to be 6 in those higher elevated spots. Thought this was going to max at 4- this is great!

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Yea, 4th floor condos appear to have lofted ā€œmezzanineā€ levels.

Iā€™m interested in seeing a site plan, and Iā€™m especially interested in the setback from the streets, and how they are going to deal with plantings and trees.

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https://community.dtraleigh.com/t/the-raleigh-wire-service/748/494

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Looks like some greenery between the building and sidewalk

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Thanks. Iā€™m looking at these 4 elevations and Iā€™m trying to figure out how they relate to each other and I find conflicts, especially with that fifth floor that they are trying to convince the city isnā€™t a floor at all. If I keep turning the corner and look at that fifth floor, it appears to be a full floor from every elevation. Perhaps this is why they label these elevations as concepts? It just doesnā€™t add up.
On the elevation that faces The Paramount, it seems as if it steps back above the garage level (after that initial blank wall part) to put distance between units of the two buildings, and possibly allow the existing tree buffer that has grown over the last 15 years to remain. If so, I think thatā€™s a nice gesture.