Police and crime in Raleigh

The courthouse shooting is absolutely terrible, and first and foremost, thoughts should be with everyone impacted by the violence and trauma surrounding this incident. But the rhetoric and concerns now surfacing about Downtown Raleigh safety cannot simply be dismissed or written off as overreaction. People are speaking up because they are genuinely concerned, and leadership needs to start listening.

Downtown Raleigh has reached a point where leadership can no longer hide behind carefully crafted statements, endless studies, or a “touchy-feely” approach to problems that are now resulting in people being physically hurt and driven out of public spaces. Compassion matters, but compassion without accountability is not leadership… it is avoidance.

For years, the City has prioritized conversations around bonds, transportation, density, growth, and future development while ignoring the reality unfolding in parts of downtown and around Moore Square. Residents, families, business owners, and visitors are increasingly dealing with aggressive behavior, safety concerns, and a growing lack of confidence in the City’s willingness to address these issues directly.

At some point, leaders have to stop worrying about political optics and start making hard decisions. Public spaces cannot function when repeat disruptive and criminal behavior is tolerated without meaningful enforcement. Raleigh cannot continue marketing itself as a safe, walkable, world-class city while residents actively avoid parts of downtown because they no longer feel secure being there.

What makes this even more frustrating is that the current approach is failing everyone, including the vulnerable individuals the City claims to be helping. Allowing chaos, lawlessness, and unsafe conditions to continue unchecked is not compassion. It is a failure of leadership and accountability that hurts the broader community while also failing those truly in need of support and intervention.

The people investing in Raleigh, raising families here, operating businesses here, and supporting the tax base are exhausted from hearing excuses while conditions continue moving in this direction. Residents are tired of soft responses, politically safe messaging, and leadership that appears more concerned with perception than action.

Raleigh’s leadership needs to wake up. The time for vague statements and avoidance has passed. People are getting hurt, public confidence is eroding, and the City cannot continue ignoring the growing concerns surrounding safety in Downtown Raleigh.

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According to witnesses, a woman allegedly shot a man and another woman in the alley between the Wake County Courthouse and the U.S. Post Office. Victims may be attorneys.

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Silver lining (I guess?), the live coverage shows Canes banners up downtown…

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Whether or not downtown crime is actually increasing, or decreasing - the recent incidents, between This incident, Glenwood S. and The bus station, Moore square, paint a perception of crime ridden downtown Raleigh in the greater community. And that is not good.

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Leadership downtown should take a hard stance. I’m honestly not sure how anyone can frequent downtown and not notice or feel what everyone here, who actively support downtown, feels and continues to preach. It’s as if the City Leaders are not actually a part of the city and around downtown - that’s the perception that it gives me.

For years, the City has prioritized conversations around bonds, transportation, density, growth, and future development

Those should be the priorities. And that is interconnected with the goal of safety. New York is a safe place to be because of safety in numbers. We want that in downtown Raleigh. That means having a much larger permanent population working, living, and visiting in downtown. Large enough so that there is never a slow time.

If I see a sound proposal from the pearl clutchers that would fix anything I’d support it. I do support decentralizing the transit hub.

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We have grown and so has the issues and problems in Moore Square. When does this tide turn?

Whether or not downtown crime is actually increasing, or decreasing - the recent incidents, between This incident, Glenwood S. and The bus station, Moore square, paint a perception of crime ridden downtown Raleigh in the greater community. And that is not good.

Completely agreed but I also think a skeptical pushback is important. I see a car crash on I-40 EVERY DAY. The fact stands that you are more likely to die driving to downtown than walking around in it. People are dying constantly every day here because of our stupid transit priorities and dependence on sprawl and yet this has never prompted outrage. This has never prompted big posts saying “WE NEED BETTER LEADERSHIP”. Everyone shrugs and pretends it’s normal and that it’s a fact of life that can’t be fixed.

Don’t lose sight of who is pushing your buttons or what ulterior agenda they have.

When the growth actually comes to Moore Square. The problem is we’re in a chicken and egg situation where nobody wants to build over there because of the social environment.

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I don’t think any of us should be naive about the crime in Raleigh especially around Moore Square and the Bus Station. Those are areas I stay away from especially after dark. AND I do emphasize a targeted attacked is just that a targeted attack. Could we do better with more police protection outside the courthouse as well as inside the courthouse? Maybe. But RPD routinely operates with open vacancies of 50-90 officers. In today’s climate, would you seriously want to be a police officer? It probably isn’t high on most peoples list.

All that aside @Vatnos comment about more population that is 24 hours a day living, working and visiting downtown is actually key to having a safer downtown. Will we ever be small town Wytheville VA (where I grew up) or Rolesville NC (lowest crime rate in NC 2025). NOPE. BUT I also don’t want to live in Wytheville or Rolesville. So pick your destination. Pick your poison. Pick what YOU are willing or not willing to live with. Hold the elected officials to account where you can. AND remember it is easy to throw those stones and harder to actually fill all those shoes that have to do the work on the ground. Just my two cents.

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Yeah, shit like this is going to be what takes me off this forum. When the Hedingham shooting happened, people didn’t get up to say that living in golf course communities is getting worse, even though the crime rate is the same.

No offense but those of you making this an issue about “the way things are headed” or “building perception”, including the News & Observer, do the same thing every time. I feel like I’m reading Fox News half the time. You continue to live in fear, and spend your time obsessing over how afraid you think we all should be. I’ll continue living my life.

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Nobody is saying people should “live in fear,” and comparing concern about downtown safety to fearmongering misses the actual point many residents are trying to make.

The courthouse shooting was terrible on its own, but it also highlighted something a lot of people have been discussing for years now: public confidence in parts of downtown Raleigh is slipping. Acknowledging that doesn’t mean someone is like Fox News or thinks the city is collapsing. It means they’re paying attention to repeated incidents, aggressive behavior, declining perception, and the fact that many residents and visitors openly avoid certain areas now, especially around Moore Square and nearby corridors.

The Hedingham comparison also isn’t really apples to apples. A mass shooting in a suburban neighborhood was a horrifying isolated tragedy. Concerns downtown are more about the cumulative day-to-day environment people experience repeatedly in public spaces: harassment, intimidation, fights, open disorder, property crime, and a visible lack of enforcement or accountability. Those things shape perception over time whether people want to admit it or not.

buddy you are worked up into a froth about some bullshit. You just banged out 3 Paragraphs in as many minutes? Go outside

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N&O and WRAL spent my entire childhood playing up Durham as the most dangerous place on earth, and as a result it’s now a great place to live because the people that I hate were scared away from living here. Not the worst fate a city can face–getting flak for its crime. Just saying. It is not the end of the world.

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For context, I wanted to add that apparently this is a middle-aged woman who was frustrated with the ongoing civil suit involving Rolesville police body cam footage, evidence allegedly going missing, etc for a case that involved her elderly mother being attacked with acid and dying. If you Google Gwendolyn White (the shooter), her Facebook page is a bunch of crazy pics of that. She was disruptive in court and left, drove back, and got out and shot 2 attorneys involved. Sounds much more like a woman at her wits’ end doing something crazy than a symptom of epidemic downtown violence.

I absolutely agree the bus station should be removed as part of decentralizing the bus system, and RPD need to start enforcing the nuisance ordinances like loitering, disorderly conduct, etc. And I’m happy to have a reasonable discussion about any of that. But that’s not what this incident was about.

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Ironically, this crime is related to a case where the two attorneys shot were representing the Rolesville Police Department. I’m not sure if the suspect is from Rolesville as well. I can’t seem to find out where she’s from.

Well dang. What are the odds. I guess that is how Rolesville keeps being the safest place to live - they outsource crime to Raleigh. :water_pistol:

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This crime would have happened wherever the Wake County courthouse was… North Hills, Cary, Wake Forest, etc.

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I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a lot of our downtown crime is imported from outside of the city.

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As it turns out, the female suspect accused of shooting the 2 attorneys is from Raleigh.

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