couldn’t believe what I was seeing when watching these videos and looking at the pictures. It has completely changed from what I remember when I went down there 2004-2008. Was all college kids back then
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So just an add on charge for another crime? Yea that’s a useless idea
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Agree to a certain extent but the parenting is still by far the most influential factor in how your kid turns out.
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I assume they were both there to ride the 2:30 am bus…
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Literally happening every day…
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Time to move the bus station to Glenwood south. That way the bus station bums / trouble makers can duke it out with the party goer troublemakers. Soon enough they will take each other out. Problem solved.
(Kidding - of course).
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Let’s label it a “Moore Square Takeover” and maybe we can get some actual traction with securing this facility. This is ridiculous and a blight on the downtown.
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Yesterday, there was also a stabbing right in city market:
I’ll add that I typically think that these kinds of events are overblown in the media. But, both of these situations seem to be random-on-random crime taking place.
From talking around, patience for these kinds of issues around this area is growing incredibly thin.
I’ve experienced this too, this pot is getting close to boiling over with the public.
This is growing into the number 1 issue among the people in my circle who pay no attention to city politics (the median voter).
100% thin and there is little talk from the council about what solutions immediately and in the future need to be implemented. A large portion of this forum seems to think it’s overblown, but the people outside of the city that contribute to the tax base and are the target for programming and events in this area that support the downtown businesses would say otherwise.
This issue comes up enough on this forum to 1. Be labeled as a serious issue downtown and 2. Has been a ‘given’ and unfortunately desensitized a lot of us as just another Bus station event.
If this happened anywhere else in the city we would have a much different response.
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You mean like in Glenwood South?
Long before the recent teenage takeover, there has been a history of violence in the neighborhood that has included folks losing their lives.
Part of the problem is that Raleigh is way short of the number of police officers a city of its size requires. That was mentioned in the budget deliberations. You can’t ramp up security if you don’t have the personnel.
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If this is the problem, we need to design around the problem.
Closed access or Move the bus station or Prevent heavy loitering. Etc. etc
The police hiring situation and staffing will continue to be behind, so we can’t assume this will catch up and solve the issues. Right now there is a crime/violence problem that’s impacting businesses and the safety of the general population looking to utilize a public space in the City.
This really isn’t the issue as much. While the city, as a whole, is stretched thin, Moore Square is a hotspot and often has more than enough officers there.
Agreed with @SouthParkRaL . If we’re going to keep the station here, I think the station needs to become closed access. @JLambertMelton already mentioned that we should be able to close off the Wilmington Street side of the station.
My only concern is around situations like what happened at City Market where the guy got stabbed. Or like the guy that pulled out his penis in the middle of Moore Square park and started peeing. If we continue seeing patterns of these issues leaving the station, especially random-on-random crime, then that’s a different conversation entirely.
Honestly, at this point most of the businesses and areas around are tired of trying things and then those things not working.
There were at least 6 patrol cars that showed up at a North Raleigh apartment complex after a report of gunshots. Thankfully nobody was injured. I counted the patrol cars in the photo from the story on WRAL online. If understaffing is the primary issue, how do we have 6+ responding patrol cars? Am I missing something here? Is this a normal response? Should there actually be more? I am asking in sincerity. I don’t know what’s supposed to be typical in response to something like this.
Probably depends on number of people that called it in and the number of officers in the immediate vicinity. Depending on other factors (visible shooter, victim identified, etc), I imagine that can scale the response.
A crisp high five to all the folks that made this happen.
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Love this! Hope to see more of this
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Great initiative. Would love to understand why it is going to cost 55K per person… that’s more than double my rent.
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On an individual level, she estimated a year of rental assistance and supportive services will cost around $24,000 per household per year.
There are other program costs in addition to the rent per year, the article mentions healthcare and employment assistance. I assume they’re also providing some level of assistance for stuff like clothes and home goods. Also paying the people that operate the program.
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