Prince Hall Historic District

Check the post I replied to. Based on the PDF below, it got approved with some small improvement for the blank side that has the big cell tower.

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Ah yes. Thanks. I actually did see it pop up on the wire but managed not to get to that pdf.

Skinny hotel with a weird left side. I remember this now!

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Plus they’re renovating the historic Masonic Hall!

(Then some guy called everyone racist for thinking it was a worthy reason to take off the the historic district tag, it was a weird time)

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I saw this surprise within the Raleigh Wire Service thread. Have not been able to determine how the votes fell, but good on (a majority of) Council for doing the right thing in the face of a 10-1 recommendation of denial from the Planning Commission and a 6-2 denial at the historic commission over the Prince Hall district boundary issue.

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Hi, the revised conditions limit building height to 7 stories (same as proposed adjacent hotel, part of the Acorn Apartments site) and require the first 3 stories to match the Masonic Hall. Here’s a revised rendering I received from the applicant’s attorney; it wasn’t shown at the meeting yesterday because the mayor deemed the public comment time expired.

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Aha! Thank you. I was curious what had really changed.

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Do you know what the reason was for limiting the height to 7 stories, as opposed to the original 12 stories?

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Awesome! Thank you for sharing with us!

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Thanks for the update! Did the applicant give an idea of what they’re planning to do with the blank side of the building? I know they mentioned a requirement of art, windows, fake windows, etc. but wasn’t sure if they had an idea.

Either way, glad they were finally able to figure this out. Less surface parking lots in downtown is always a good thing.

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They added conditions requiring the blank wall to have a facade as well.

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It’s in/adjacent to the Prince Hall District and 7 stories made more sense in context to its surroundings. Also, they weren’t going to get approved at 12…

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The Wake County NIMBY Association (or “Liveable Raleigh”) is out with a summary of this meeting in which they describe this approval as “further decimating the Prince Hall historic district.” The biggest group of piss babies.

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For a contextual seven story building on an empty lot that involves an actual renovation of a historic building? Christ almighty.

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If LR is really opposing this…
Bookmark that for the next time they say “we don’t mind new developments, we just support smart growth”.

This is classic cantankerous NIMBYism

Added: This is a wonderful project. It should be taller, but the street level experience is going to be great regardless whether it’s 7 or 12 stories

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I assume it’s coming from Eugene Myrick (who’s been involved with Livable Raleigh for some time). Earlier in the conversation for this, he was stressing that this area is a neighborhood and isn’t ready for a 12 story building in his public comment.

Despite the fact that Red Hat HQ (20 stories) is right across the street. He should know that since he’s a Shaw alumni.

The guy would rather see the entire area burned to the ground than have anything change for the better. Don’t take his opinion too seriously.

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This beret wearing guy also seems to be a factor: Our historic fabric is getting threadbare | Livable Raleigh

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Save our historic gravel parking lots! Worth Bagley once got a handjob in that parking lot and you want to put a building there? Shame!

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Yeah, I’ve seen him too. He uses the Prince Hall Historic District as a buffer zone for the Historic Oakwood district (where he lives). Historic Oakwood is not plagued with empty parking lots to the same level as the Prince Hall Historic District. That, along with the fact that the ownership of the Prince Hall building itself, is in favor of this development.

The guy is blowing smoke out of his ass. HOD status should not be applied to empty parking lots. What was historic about these lots is already gone.

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man, I love that. Really looking forward to seeing it when finished. This part of town just can’t seem to get jump started, so hoping this is another push towards that.

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One more thing

the precious resource protected by our historic districts should not be nibbled away for private gain through extractive colonialism

I’d like to point out the irony of a white man in a beret telling the black-owned historical building and the construction group Tuscany (owned by Shervin Tahssili) that they’re being colonists. I’d very much love to talk about all the historical ramifications of white neighborhoods dictating what minority property owners can and can’t do with their property and their neighborhoods, Chris Crew.

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