Oh I’ll effect Raleigh maybe not big time, but larger cities will feel this and I’ll effect funding and everything. But It’s funny because Raleigh and those same blue cities he hates actually helped him win last November because people were mad and there was low turnout because they were sick of the crime that was happening. Now he is screwing over those same municipalities. Every city is gonna get screwed. But it does hurt both North Carolina’s largest cities and we will be affected.
Yep but Texas if you haven’t been watching is doing something to pay up for that by doing that redistricting plan. Now not to get too off topic but most Texas hispanic voters are conservative not liberal. Unfortunately Dems are not just worried about having the next midterm stolen from them, but losing hispanics a voter base they capped so hard over In fact they fought so hard they put there most loyal voter base black people behind. But it’s nice to see some DEM leaders like governors Newsom and Hochul of California and New York respectively having some backbone threatening to do the same the only thing against them is that Trump government can have that striked down. It not really a win win situation for any of us and I’ll tell you how it has something to do with Raleigh because those same politicians on West Jones Street are probably gonna do the same if this Census thing goes into effect and Democrats really can’t do anything about it.
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This is all just a pattern of skewing / making up your own data.
- Not counting people living in a certain area in the census because you demonize undocumented people.
- Firing the guy putting together the labor stats because you don’t like the unemployment numbers.
- Eliminating funding for NASA climate satellites that are already in orbit because you think climate change is a hoax.
- Stop Covid testing during a pandemic because it will make the case count go down.
- Drawing a projected Hurricane path on the map with a sharpie.
- the list goes on.
Who needs real data, when you can just make shit up to fit your narrative? America is just so great again!
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yeah it’s called SEVERE Narcissistic Personality Disorder and it ain’t cute. Let’s end this here man none of this has to do with Raleigh lmao
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Oh, I am sure the fine folks in charge will apply the changes equally and fairly to red and blue states and would never misuse their power to advance their personal interests.
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And I just want to say that I think Raleigh’s Statistical Area Population is just so great. It’s big, but it’s gonna be YUGE! Let’s talk about our population and stats!
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I’m sure this has been discussed before, but it is extremely dumb and arbitrary that the MSA for Raleigh is just Raleigh-Cary. Considering MSA affects federal funding… it seems like an injustice that we aren’t considering the greater metro area (CSA) that includes Durham and Chapel Hill.
Just feel like the Raleigh area is often described (by outsiders) as a small city, but… it’s really not. We are nearing 2.5 million people in the triangle area.
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Preach!
A lot of us feel the same way.
It’s ridiculous how the Triangle is split into two unequal pieces.
The only good thing that comes out of the split for Raleigh is how much faster the Raleigh side is growing, and that growth rate/stat is touted in national media. If we were combined, the MSA base would certainly be larger but the growth rate would be lower.
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Fair enough! Though I wouldn’t be too surprised to see growth in Durham pick up. There’s still a fair amount of undeveloped land, especially in east and north Durham. Already lots of activity in those areas with builders like Mungo Homes and Pulte among others. Also a little bit closer proximity to RTP depending on which side of Durham. Plus the apartment boom downtown Durham has been experiencing.
drive out glenwood and a durhan city limit sign hits you in the face real quick.
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everytime I drive into the Triangle area (the one true metro of Raleigh Durham Cary) I see lots of traffic heading from Durham Co. into Wake and vice versa on I-40 any time of the day. Cary town limits cross into Durham Co. as does the city of Raleigh and Cary has has thousands living in Chatham Co. in the town limits but supposedly Chatham is another metro area. So Cary literally sprawls over 2 metro areas! This is ONE metro. My friend in north Raleigh commutes to downtown Durham and goes to DPAC events there. Local leaders need to press for the one metro designation even if it is an exception. The Triangle metro area combined is larger than metro Nashville!
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Let’s not forget Raleigh and Durham’s city limits extend into each others primary counties (Durham and Wake) . To be honest, it looks like a political ploy.
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This has been the the argument for a single MSA for a long, long time, but it’s an argument that I hear mostly “Raleigh” residents make. I’ve long suspected that Durham wanted their own MSA, and their response when it happened only makes me suspect that more. The narratives coming out of Durham when the Triangle was split into two was something like “now everyone will see who really drives the Triangle”. I certainly can’t prove it, but as @BoringRaleigh said, it looks like politics played a role. It wouldn’t surprise me if Durham pushed to headline their own MSA. As for their growth, there certainly isn’t anything physically preventing growth to come. They certainly have more infill land in their limits than Raleigh does, and that’s not just downtown. The area between DT Durham and RTP west of the Durham Freeway feels like parts of north Raleigh did decades ago. There’s a lot of opportunity there. Regardless of whether or not we are recombined into a singular MSA, I’d really like to see the Durham MSA grow to a million, and that’s achievable at a density that’s far less than Raleigh-Cary’s current density. That would position the CSA well for a 3M metro statistic in the coming decade. Alas, the growth rate needed to achieve that still seems to be elusive. At their current rate of growth, a Million comes in 40 years from their 2024 base of 620K.
For comparison, Raleigh’s MSA went from 541K to 1.13M in 20 years between 1990 and 2010. Supposing that Raleigh’s MSA growth rate remained constant, which I doubt it will, and in that same 40 year time period, the Raleigh MSA could theoretically be 4M on its own.
As a CSA, and in its current configuration, the Raleigh-Durham-Cary CSA may cross 3M in 2036 and 4M in 2050. As we saw with Charlotte, we know that those numbers can come earlier if additional counties are added to the mix.
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Hickory to Charlotte is about the exact same distance as Fayetteville to Raleigh. Just sayin’.
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I personally don’t promote the addition of Cumberland Co. to the Triangle in much the same way that I don’t think Hickory and the I40 corridor to just outside of Asheville is “Charlotte”. However, I can see adding Lee and Harnett into the MSA in the future, even though Harnett in particular goes further south than I am comfortable in identifying as being in the Triangle’s sphere of influence. Generally I think that a 40 miles radius is about as far of a reach for the CSA that I am willing to entertain. The question for the Triangle would then be to identify where the center of Triangle to be. I generally think it’s somewhere in the corridor between RDU and the Harrison Ave. exit off of 40.
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This is also good to note that Fayetteville has been pushing an expanded metro that includes Harnett & Moore counties in addition to Lumberton & Laurinburg. At one point, statistics were showing Fayetteville with a 800k+ metro, which was wild to me. It now sits at 400k for the MSA.
Harnett has ping-ponged between the Triangle and Fayetteville, and I suspect that it could continue to do so over time depending on which metro is driving its growth. For Fayetteville to “claim” it again, it would need to drive growth in the southern part of the county more substantially than the Triangle drives growth in the northern part of the county. That’s a pretty tall order given the growth rate differences between the two metros.
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540 should keep Harnett safe in the Raleigh MSA.
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fayetteville is 200k now? i did and have family in fayetteville now…that 65 miles or so with radio play was not that much worse than triangle traffic
Fayetteville largely annexed its way to that number. Among its larger annexations that pushed the population up was Ft. Bragg before the 2010 Census.
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