Raleigh-area Mall / Life-Style Center / RTP Redevelopments

Looks to me like the path in the map is on the greenway and walkability is fine.

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Yikes. This is my biggest issue with a lot of these mixed-use developments outside of downtown. The scale is usually completely wrong. It could be a nice development, but it looks sized for cars, not pedestrians. Why do they need an 18-20’ wide single lane roundabout? Literally cut this in half and it would feel 10x better.

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Damn good catch, I should’ve paid attention to the maps haha. Possible unpopular opinion, but as they add more buildings and develop the land a little more, I wouldn’t mind them chopping a few of those longleafs down along the 440 ramp so that the whole development as at least a bit more visible to the outside.

Because most developments outside downtown are made for people to drive to and around, not walk to and around

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What good is a single 18’ wide lane doing them? Unless you think this is planned for future conversion into a double-lane roundabout?

I also think it make sense for main roads that provide access to be sized for cars, but if you are going to have a denser development that is intended to be walkable, there need to be traffic calming measures in place once you turn into the development, and the focus needs to shift away from design that prioritizes efficient/fast-moving traffic. We understand this for residential neighborhoods in the suburbs; the same concept applies here. Wide roads invite speeding, and they make it uncomfortable and unsafe for pedestrians.

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Ironically, the wide car-friendly roads make it less inviting as a place to drive to.

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I wonder if it is designed to accommodate six axle trucks or larger construction/delivery vehicles, while still appearing to be New urbanism roundabout lol. It seems that the size of our trucks in America creates extra large turning radiuses, whereas in a lot of other countries they have much smaller platform vehicles for deliveries and construction

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Hmm that’s possible. Usually there would be secondary service access that would allow them to separate the flow for trucks. I wonder if that’s the case here.

Fox and Hound in North Hills has permanently closed. Haven’t been there in years and honestly forgot about it. But it’s been a staple there for a long time.

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Wow! I was literally about to ask a friend to meet me for lunch there today.

It’s still ok to invite him there. It’s April Fools.

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Hahaha (20 characters)

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Hey wanna meet for lunch today? My treat!
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Nice story on Wendell and how we allow golf carts on all roads with speed limits under 35 MPH (other than state owned roads because you know NCDOT)

Normally I walk to Publix from my house but when I’m getting more than a couple of things it’s great to roll on down in the Golf Cart.

I’m hoping sometime in the future we plan a grid of golf cart paths to make up for not being able to go on the state routes.

A lot is starting to happen out here in East Wake. There’s a lot of issues and challenges this way, but we did get this right!

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On my; Grandma got run over by a reindeer - update — Oops nope she drove out in front of a ford 250 in her golf cart.

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We can replace it with a Del Frisco’s or a luxury restaurant, they’re a lot of rich folks in that area.

Woah finally going through the Crabtree Creek Trail. Can’t believe this creek is basically ignored as a city asset.


If they redid Crabtree Mall they really should build it with the creek as a water feature and center piece with large bodies of water, wetlands, expansive greenry. I saw hundreds of turtles and geese and several cranes. Instead of as an afterthought hidden behind the parking deck like today. What a waste.

What a waste.

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Yes I’ve said this about the mall as well. They really just viewed the creek as a drainage ditch in guess.

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I lived in the Manor Six Forks apartments overlooking that greenway for 2 years just because I liked the greenway and creek so much. Probably one of my favorite greenway sections in the Triangle.

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What if the Midtown Waterfront District vision was a template for how the future Crabtree Mall area could look like except bigger. A mix-use open air premium shopping destination with a world-class ecologically sound wetland and recreational park as a center piece.

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