Raleigh-area Mall / Life-Style Center / RTP Redevelopments

I think there’s movement again on six forks improvements but it doesn’t start until Rowan Street. I saw something where the city is having another meeting next month and it was worded like the project was ready to advance - very confusing.

Also with Buckhead, they’re getting ready to CAP GA 400 through Buckhead from Peachtree to Lenox Loop to make an 11 acre park and seamlessly connect the MARTA station.

A cap between Lassiter Mill and Six Forks is something I’ve also dreamed and drawn up. It’s just funny because all of this would cost Kane less than one of his buildings but bring more notability than any of his buildings and go a long way into building an actual neighborhood.

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I get that he doesn’t want to set a precedent, but I totally agree. It’d make the whole thing feel less like a semi-disguised mall with a really inconvenient road in the middle and more like, as you put it, an actual neighborhood.

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Is that not already the precedent for developers though?
If they’re building a subdivision and one of the future roads on Raleigh’s plan goes through it, they have to build it. Same with bike lanes, road widening and more. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be out of the picture to require it if he develops land right up to six forks. I’m sure his people have found some fine print though.

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Lots of NIMBYs in my neighborhood up I arms about this. Redoing the fire station and transit hub for some reason is not cool with them. And also not enough affordable housing. Etc.

While I hope this ultimately goes through, I am not opposed to making Kane sharpen his pencil a bit. I would really like to see him pay for improvements to the pedestrian experience on 6 forks, as folks have suggested. All the NIMBYs don’t even mention that.

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With teardowns and multimillion dollar houses replacing them just north of NHE, I have a hard time believing that affordable housing is the real issue with the NIMBYs. Maybe I’m wrong but is really what they are concerned about?
As for neighborhood pressure/engagement by the greater neighborhood, I agree that the time is now to ask for what you want and to get Kane to sharpen his pencil. That said, I think it’s a failed strategy to try and make it not happen at all. Neighbors should be thinking about fundamental improvements that can be made by Kane. @OakCityDylan gave the idea of a tunnel for pedestrians. I’d put that on the table for him. Want your rezoning? Well, package it with a pedestrian tunnel that you will maintain and police, and we’ll talk. Want your rezoning? Well, fund pedestrian experiences around the perimeter of your project that connect to our neighborhoods including wider sidewalks and planting more trees. (< just examples). Ask Kane for improvements to the greater community experiences. Saying “I don’t like it” isn’t a sound strategy with this city.

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Honestly, just saying “I don’t like it” with no alternatives isn’t a sound strategy for most things in life.

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They didn’t bother asking us first…

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“With teardowns and multimillion dollar houses replacing them just north of NHE, I have a hard time believing that affordable housing is the real issue with the NIMBYs”. No I think you’re right about this.

That said, I do think ped and traffic concerns need to be sorted out (would love that tunnel!) in the area for the longer-term.

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This was the same thing argued about the quote “Lead Mine Tower” on Lead Mine Rd.

They argued saying there was no affordable housing. In a way, I wouldn’t mind if developers would turn on these neighbors and build the “affordable housing” right in their neighborhood since that’s “what they want.” For the building on Lead Mine, it would have been right behind their back yards. I’m sure they would have loved affordable housing right behind.

Put the affordable housing right on Rowan. I’m sure the neighbors would love that.

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These exact same NIMBYs crying for affordable housing with every rezoning are very much against ADUs, splitting lots, or building things like cottage courts.

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ASR for some more of NHID


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What kind of city tax revenues does North Hills create? Then include the increased property taxes of the McMansions being built nearby because of the proximity to NH. Not sure that Kane isn’t already helping to fill city coffers.

I have no clue but I wonder to what extent taxes already boosted by private economic development can cover municipal costs to improve that same area’s infrastructure to sustain mutually beneficial growth.

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The extension of Hardimont road with this project is going to be a big change 'round here! People are going to freak out! Not to mention the new buildings.

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Wow, all the parking is 2 levels below grade spanning under both buildings. Kinda surprising.

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I would suggest Kane take his show and money/tax revenue to Durham. I am sure they would like to have him.

One could say that our aging low density suburban areas in the city are infrastructure ticking time bombs. The tax revenues provided by dense development in Midtown and Downtown will be heavily subsidizing repair and replacement of that infrastructure going forward, not just specifically for the adjacent properties. Put simply, taxes from dense development subsidize all areas with low density development.

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And it’s a tired talking point from the minority. Actually, giving solutions their never good at that.

Well, I think an underground walk trail could work for them, I don’t know what their deal is with a connectable renovated transit station and fire department. They are probably doing It to protect them from being unelected since we Yimbys have a majority its slim.

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i worked at a few of his health clubs back in thelate 80s, 90s and 2000s. i think some of the early ones began in shopping centers…wilmington and celebration at six forks,…maybe greenville too.

Don’t think I’ve seen this one anywhere yet. Not sure if it belongs here or in the general restaurant one.

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