Judging by these massings, the two Six Forks locations should come with ped improvements on Six Forks. The Lassiter Mill and Rowan sites are gonna be tough. I think the toughest one is the Rowan site, honestly. I just don’t think the residents along Lassiter have any foot in the game anymore considering the last expansion.
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I often drive home (to Cameron Village area) from North Raleigh down Six Forks, through North Hills, at rush hour… and I gotta be honest with y’all
…it’s really not that bad… like at all LMAO. The “traffic” boogeyman is such a crock. Seriously.
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In a growing, increasingly urban CITY, they should BOTH be approved - with conditions and concessions of course. Put the developer on the hook for road, pedestrian, and landscaping improvements.
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It’s true - I drive through there almost daily. It definitely gets backed up a bit during rush hour. Maybe it takes 2 lights cycles to go through. But in the grand scheme, it’s not that bad. So it takes an extra 3 minutes during peak times. Who gives a flip?
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IMO (as a daily Six Forks driver) is the portion north of Millbrook is what needs improvement. THAT is the infuriating section for me in the mornings after I drop my kids off at Sanderson and head towards the Beltline. Getting out of Sanderson you can only make a right hand turn (going back north), so I have cut back over to Six Forks on a residential street to head back south towards work. Starting next school year, I’ll have drop offs at both Sanderson and Carroll. KMN
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I have to drive down 885 to 40 to Wade Ave every evening during rush hour and that can be insane, especially with an event or two happening. I don’t have much sympathy for people going down Six Forks.
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North Hills needs to remove the on-street parking in the main commercial area, except for food delivery. It seems like a lot of people drive through there hoping to get a spot but never do, ending up in the parking deck. I think that would solve some of the traffic issues there.
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There are covenants on the subdivision just north of NHE. Kane got them lifted on two properties that were incorporated into NHE.
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35 mph to maximize capacity is certainly credible.
My neighborhood is partly inside the city limits and partly outside. The city has dropped speed limits but NCDOT refuses to. They say that people will drive as fast as the road design allows, regardless of speed limits. That’s pretty much true in my experience, given that RPD seldom enforces speed limits and we won’t deploy speed cameras like the Europeans do. 10 over to 15 over is the norm, except when congestion won’t allow that. Lower speed limits all you want, but they’ll be disregarded most of the time by most of the drivers. Traffic calming on the major arterials would work but would also result in pitchforks at City Hall.
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Traffic calming on the major arterials would work but would also result in pitchforks at City Hall.
If they keep building Mario Kart tracks and roundabouts that are so small you don’t have to drive in a circle to go through them, yeah. What they did on Oakwood and Harps Mill (for example) is almost negligent in terms of safety.
If they just make the vehicle lanes skinnier and use the extra width to make dedicated bike paths, I’m fer it.
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Seeing the “Six Forks Site” tower (replacing the single-story North State Bank) directly across from the Bank of America tower has me somewhat rethinking a pedestrian bridge – from the BOA garage to the inevitable Six Forks Site parking podium. Would need to remove a few parking spaces in each deck and add vertical circulation. (On the east side, stairs/escalators could turn south to land on that “Cor-Ten Steel Asterisk” roof deck over the CapTrust parking ramp.) It would be much more of a detour for pedestrians than a Cowfish Tunnel, but the upfront costs would be lower since utilities under Six Forks could go untouched. Plus, developers love to decorate bridges.
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Disneyland and Disney World are a flight away, people need to walk and roll more, this would’ve been a waste of money.
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Interesting takeaway. This would absolutely encourage more people to walk and roll amongst the various parts of North Hills.
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Not to go off topic too much, but as a Carroll & Sanderson graduate (way back when), this brought back many memories of driving to high school and dealing with the traffic.
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I graduated from a small town high school in the foothills. Having kids in WCPSS is a world away from what I grew up with. Sanderson has 1600 students alone, my whole school with teachers and staff was around 450-500 back in the '90s. I think my “big” graduating class was either 95 or 97 kids.
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IIRC, the plan was to also incorporate the area around Duke Raleigh Hospital and the North Raleigh Hilton into this regional people mover as well. Yes Disneyesque, but a local circulator to move folks around and get cars off of streets.
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Agreed, this would have been an embarrassment that was costly to maintain and that hardly anyone used. Much like the original People Mover at DFW Airport.
There’s much to be said for downtowns like Montréal (the RÉSO) and Minneapolis (the Skyway) where you can walk a long distance without venturing into the cold and snow. Here, it’s the heat and rain which will only get worse with global warming. North Hills could have been that on a smaller scale.
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Seems like if Raleigh was ever going to have an aerial tram / gondola ride for alleged transit use, this would be the place (North Hills) that would be appropriate…assuming that pedestrians would use some sort of transit option those on here demand be built. Would probably be cheaper by a lot compared to tunnels and bridges.
Kane will probably have to make some concessions, as others have said, to deal with “traffic” but also I agree with those saying as dense as NH is, it’s really not THAT bad as a driver
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Wonder if they can be forced to contribute to northern BRT costs in some capacity