Was also up this morning in the 2nd downtown of Raleigh: North Hills. I tell people this is the densest development outside of a downtown between DC and Atlanta and yes that includes anything in Charlotte. Kane does an excellent job with all his projects. I have been there mainly during the day and I dont think the traffic is bad there as it is right off I-440 compared to other suburban mixed use developments. Saw where the Strand the latest apartment tower is rising and went to all 3 sections Main, Midtown and NHID all parking under 2 hours!
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Couple more from North Hills. Photo of parking lot along Six Forks by Exxon station where future towers are proposed.
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Oh I remember that I always wondered if that was gonna happen.
Youâre right duke hospital did have a people mover a long time ago.
N&O report on last nights community meeting about the proposed changes to North Hills:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article311521229.html?tbref=hp
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Itâs the big-nothing of these types of comments from Christina Jones that just kill me:
âBut when you get closer to residents, theyâre the voters. Theyâre the ones in the community that weâre here for.â
âŚthese parcels would eventually literally house said residents, so⌠what is your point with the âcloser to residentsâ thing? Thereâs already tons of âresidentsâ in the apartments that are literally within this very North Hills parking lot⌠so her comment is meaningless⌠unless, OH WAIT, she only views SFH homeowners as valid residents with valid concerns? That couldnât be itâŚ
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THAT is exactly whatâs wrong with the NIMBY narrative. The only people who matter are the OWNERS of single family houses.
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seems to me like the property OWNERS do have a longer term interest in what happens to or near a property they own (even if they have renters in it) compared to the interest someone has whoâs just renting.
While everyoneâs VOTES count equally when citizens vote, but I think ownersâ voices and opinions should be taken into account for matters near the property they own, regardless of where they actually live. For example, if someone wanted to build next door to property you owned, but no longer lived in, or some strip joint or vape shop or the backside of a big wall of new construction blocking your propertyâs view or access, your renters may not care because itâs a temporary place for them to live until they move (hopefully into something more permanent that they own somewhere else to build equity for themselves vs throwing their money away on rent). Iâm not saying theyâre NIMBY, iâm just pushing back on someone equating the interests of renters to owners.
Renters want a nice place to live at the lowest possible price. Owners want to protect the value of their property long term. Those 2 objectives arenât always going to favor the same policies, and thatâs OK.
Itâd be completely inappropriate for Christina Jones or anyone to approach policy-making decisions with "well you own the place but donât live in it, so Iâm going to prioritize your tenantsâ voice over the property ownersâ voice. " TBH I donât know what sheâs actually saying in the quote, as it seems like sheâs just doing her typical word salad of meaningless phrases like someone else I know.
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News alert. Condos and Townhouses have owners too.
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Why would that be inappropriate? Especially if the landlord does not live in the city. Why canât renters ask city the council to vote for their interests of affordable rent? All these nimbys shouting down every new proposed high density development is a good part of the reason rents are so high.
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You mean renters are voters too, and want their representatives to be responsive to their interests too? Shocking!
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In the United States 2022
Midterm elections, 58% of eligible homeowners turned out to vote, compared to just 37% of eligible
renters. Renters generally care less about local elections as they are less financially invested in the community compared to a homeowner. Local politicians know this and more often support policies that favor homeowners. They want to get reelected.
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Agree with you about the politicians wanting to get reelected and focusing on people who vote. One reason old people get courted⌠A reliable voting demographic. I think renters often tend to be younger and/or poorer (I mean in general, a larger share, not all renters obviously). That means they probably have other things to focus on besides elections. But for local issues impacting all of us, Iâd like to think our officials would try to appreciate all of our residentsâ opinions.
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exactly! the fact that renters vote less than owners means their opinion is UNDERrepresented in elections, and a councilmember who truly represents all the constituents in their district should then account for that disparity by OVERrepresenting their opinions in the council chamber.
of course, thatâs not how most politicians approach things.
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The opinion of neighbors does matter, but where do we draw the line? How far away do you have to live that your voice doesnât matter? What about someone that lives 5 miles away, but drives through North Hills twice a day? What about the folks who will be forced into longer commute times when they have to live in Wendell, because we can no longer densify existing developed land?
Our city and our lives are interconnected. Elected leaders have to weigh all that against one another and cannot let one type of voice drown out the rest.
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Not necessarily. Been near Crabtree for over 5 years. I care what happens here since this is where Iâm planning on staying for the foreseeable future. I also take part and clean up part of the greenways where I live. Iâm sure owners who rent out their houses/townhomes/etc donât have the same desire unless they live in the same area.
Not necessarily true. I moved into a complex that cost me $500/more a month. My last place wasnât terrible, but I wanted to live in a ânicerâ apartment. If people wanted the lowest possible price, then Iâm sure we wouldnât have as much luxury apartments being built.
Renters want good value. This is just like a home owner. The reverse can also be said. Owners are just trying to make money, but spend the least amount of money possible to maintain the rental. This means they may only keep up with the property in the least amount possible if they have renters.
If you agree with me, then your voice matters. If you donât agree, then your voice doesnât. 
Simply driving through North Hills doesnât mean you contribute to the North Hills neighborhood. Youâre only contributing to traffic.
The ones who should really matter are those who work and live in Raleigh. The person in Wendell will not contribute the same amount as someone who lives and works in Raleigh. More than likely the person in Wendell will only come to Raleigh, work, and then rush to get back out of Raleigh. Their contribution to the cityâs economy and community will not be as much as someone who lives and works in the city.
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â08 and 09â i crossed the crosswalks on six forks regularly without issue from quail hollow area on DartmouthâŚthey are probably better nowâŚits 40 seconds for intervals? if you are on foot or bike anyway the time thing isnt the most important issue likley. with harris teeter on the neighborhood side of the street a bike gorcery run is super easy.
I live in the area too and the Nextdoor Crowd is already ramping up opposition.
You beat me to it! I snapped a pic on my way home but yours is better anyway.