Raleigh-area Mall / RTP Redevelopments

CIA - Cary International Airport. I’m sure they could received a package from Mexico so can call it International. :grin:

EDIT: oops that is already taken

" Ciampino Airport CIA Ciampino airport is situated 12.0 km south southeast of central Rome, just outside the Greater Ring Road the circular motorway around the city. The Ciampino Airport was opened in 1916 and is one of the oldest airports still in operation."

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This area simply not big enough, for two international airports 2 million in the our metroplex sure but not now!!!

Actually the one you have to worry about is Boeing Field in Seattle, KCIA. The ICAO code for the Rome airport is LIRA (which used to be pretty clever).
Allow me to suggest the inevitable airport code for Cary International: KNMB. Because ain’t nobody in Cary letting them build THAT in their backyard…

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Took the dog down for a walk on the woods where this will be built. The creek is little more then a trickle. Lots of trees and a sewer easement, and some wetlands. In the 6th picture, you can to the other side to the Midtown Exchange construction through the trees.

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Those trees have to be a few hundred years old, sad to see them go :pensive:

Those trees look more like <50 years old to me. Almost nothing on the east coast is truly old growth forests, unless it got passed over by some oddity of history. (Some river islands, for instance, or really old land grants.)

Bear in mind that Umstead State Park was a WPA reforestation project, meant to restore an area of worn-out tobacco farms.

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Yeah, they did not look like super old trees. But way older then anything they could get by clear cutting and replanting sapling after construction is done.I hate to see these trees cut down. I hope they save a good number of them, to provide the tree canopy they have in the renderings.

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Well I’m not a botanist but they’re old

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Noticed that The Walter crane has been extended to full height. Saw it on my way in this morning. Wanted to take a picture but you know, traffic…

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I’ve actually found out that the crane is now at it’s second highest point. It will be raised one more time for the final floors.

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Yeah - hope they can manage to keep some of these trees, like in their renderings (not matter how old they actually are). :wink:

I’d hope so, cause I was even thinking how short it still looked for a 35 story building.

In reading the responses to this article on the Innovation District, there was a lot focus on a food hall and trees. But what do people think about the fact that Kane is focusing on life sciences? I am in that industry, and virtually all the area life sciences companies (innovators as well as supporting industries such as CROs and diagnostic companies) are located in and around RTP/Morrisville/Durham. Cambridge, MA and the SF, CA area tend to dominate in this space with a lot of big pharma clustered in the Philly/NJ area. What do people think Kane can do to attract life sciences to Raleigh? I assume Tower 5 will have lab space but it doesn’t say. I’ve always thought of Raleigh as being more IT tech focused. Thoughts?

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Life science has some presence in Centennial Campus.

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I’m not saying it’s not possible, and it’s clearly done quite a bit in larger metro areas, but life sciences in high rise towers is a challenge. There’s a whole lot of infrastructure that needs to get from both the top (lab exhaust, often cooling and ventilation) and the bottoms (natural gas, water, lab gasses, vacuum, etc) of these buildings that have frequent occupant turnover and upfits that make it cost prohibitive to do in tall buildings and more attractive for suburban sites with fewer floors and larger footprints. Which helps explain the Life Science development activity in the RTP area currently.

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Don’t life sciences also include company’s doing things like, studies, supplies, and providing services; not just lab work. So the more normal office side of life sciences.

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Fair, I just always assumed that they were usually located in proximity to each other, but that isn’t necessarily the case. Thanks for bringing that up.

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The office side of things may not be done in offices moving forward, though. I never go to the office anymore - really haven’t since 2015-ish. And now in the wake of COVID my company is being even more flexible than they were before, though obviously those who actually do wet lab work or manufacture, etc must continue to show up. A ton of that type of work is outsourced by both biotech and big pharma. Anyway, just curious what people thought about the actual “innovation” side of the development. Midtown is full of empty store front so I’ll always be skeptical of adding more retail and restaurant space!

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All of those logistical issues can be dealt with in tall buildings. I think the rub is that any tower built for that purpose would be difficult to repurpose into something else later, since it would have a lot of extra piping and mechanical stuff left over from being used as a lab.

UNC has multiple 10+ floor buildings dedicated to lab space. The Chesterfield Building in Downtown Durham is also secretly an urban lab on the inside. Duke has some facilities there.

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i’ll feel safest if they keep all the research on viruses, pathogens, and exhausting God knows what out in the air from the labs, far away out in the “boonies” of RTP :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: and not making me wonder if its raining down on my Cowfish burger at NoHo.

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