NoHi is going to run out of Build-able space in the next 10 years, and there is probably only 1,000,000sqft of Commercial left to build in that area by Kane. So the next move is DTSORA, (after SmHo). DTSORA will probably be around 1,75Msqft of Commercial over 10 years, so the absorption rate would have to be 175,000 per year. That’s not unreasonable, especially as the Triangle is going to have a population around 4 million by 2035, give or take a few 100,000.
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Me too. Open invitation?
Those are interesting numbers and I’m certainly in no position to dispute them.
To be clear, I’m not saying that Downtown South specifically can’t be absorbed, I meant that all the proposals for “greater downtown” Raleigh, including South Saunders, Exploris, Raleigh Crossing, Nexum, RUSBUS, 121 Fayetteville, Smokey Hollow, etc. may be too much for the market to absorb. I’m skeptical (without any actual math) that downtown can absorb all the proposals on the table in the next decade. It seems like the sheer number of proposals is much greater than Raleigh’s normal pace.
I also don’t think it’s a big deal. The fact that lots of developers want in on the market is a good thing, and it’s totally normal for proposals to stall out even in very healthy markets.
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One would hope that there could be a multi-axial connection between DTR and DTSORA, namely S. Saunders, S. Wilmington, the Rocky Branch Greenway, and the Little Rock Trail. (Would love seeing S. Wilmington be as an Avenue des Champs-Élysées of sorts.)
Then, overlay this with some thoughtful infill development. I would hate to see DTSORA evolve as a disjointed island of density like NoHi is. (Of course in saying this, I feel twinges of Robert Moses echoing in my soul. But, I do channel La Belle Époque and the City Beautiful quite often.)
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With Downtown South being immediately adjacent to I-40, I think that they will actually have somewhat of a different market reach. Companies that are looking to get closer to the city can still make a case for their suburban employee base to easily drive to their jobs by not going all the way into the core of the city. That will be preferable to some seeking space. This might especially be true if Johnston Co. continues to boom. Those who live in Clayton would find a commute to there a lot more agreeable than to commute to RTP, Weston Pkwy in Cary, and other suburban developments that are much further away from their homes.
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Insightful, as always. That line of reasoning makes sense to me.
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And while Raleigh pays $100K for more “studies”, charlotte USA moved forward on their own plan…without a “feasibility study” apparently…
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Guessing this isn’t very surprising but another slot is filled
There are essentially an unlimited number of slots. MLS isn’t going to stop at 30 or even 32. Maybe, maybe they will stop at 36, but more likely they’ll stop when/if it ever stops making sense from a business perspective to keep cashing those checks for expansion fees. (There’s also the real possibility that MLS will someday be forced to divest itself of its three Canadian franchises, which are anomalous in international club soccer.)
Charlotte getting or not getting a team will also likely have zero bearing on whether Raleigh ever gets a team, because there’s zero reason why each city couldn’t have its own team. (I sometimes forget which country Charlotte is in, so I am glad that we have folks that always remember to clarify that every time the city’s name comes up. For some reason I keep thinking it’s in Luxembourg.)
Also, the link is paywall-protected, but it would definitely be a good and wise idea for Charlotte to sink hundreds of millions of dollars into a project without first asking whether it would be a good idea, or maybe it might be a bad idea. That’s definitely how I like to invest my money and/or make large purchases.
Sacramento (USA, I assume) is a very nice place, and an entirely sensible place to put a team, and it’s been obvious for years that they were going to get a team once the city agreed to kick in enough subsidies. (The MLS announcement came right after the city agreed to pony up a $33 million incentive package, which is notably way less than Malik is asking for, but still.) I have no idea why people are giving this the thumbs down since this does not negatively affect Raleigh in any way.
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MLS is basically a Multi-Level Marketing scheme. Its business plan is just to expand forever. 
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Sacto’s gonna put this in the old Southern Pacific yards. It’s a brownfields project which I always wondered how they were going to fill it, especially after having already demolished half of Downtown Plaza for the Golden West arena for the Kings. (My sister lives out there, so I’ve visited a fair bit.)
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If Ohio can have two NFL teams, I’m sure North Carolina will do fine with two MLS teams. We’re just a decade away from overtaking Ohio by population.
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2 NFL, 2 MLB & 2 MLS, the NBA & 1 serious college football team in Ohio. I think MLS teams in Raleigh and Charlotte would be great marketing. They will not over lap in their audiences, and bring some state wide excitement their games. Built in rivals are good.
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I mean they are the two worst in the nfl…
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Ohio also has a NHL team. So, Ohio has 8 top tier pro teams to NC’s 3. In fact, there’s only 3 in both Carolinas combined.
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I mean SC isn’t going to be getting one in this lifetime. Unless a Charlotte suburb gets one.
Ohio has legacy franchises, gotten when Cleveland was a top 10 largest city and Cincy was a top 20. Time will do what it does, ask St. Louis about losing franchises.
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Been meaning to watch it, seen it in my recommended
TLDR: Dual use stadiums died because …
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Baseball fans want to be behind home plate. Football fans want to be at 50yard line, so configuration was perfect for neither.
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Field/playing conditions constantly changing was damaging to them. Had to build temporary stand in center field, etc
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Fans will pay but only for experiences that are great. Sport specific stadiums can generate that perfect game day experience.
I agree with all of this, but it’s also 2019. Most of those stadiums were built in the 70s. I’d like to believe that some of the nations best engineers and architects could come together and with a list of must-have requirements frrom each sport’s fan-groups to create a newer, more thought-through version of the dual use stadium.
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The fields are different shapes. Would make much more sense for a football / soccer dual use.
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