Now how do we stack a convention center, arena, and rooftop amphitheater? Lol
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TBJ article about a new group that will study whether the arena should stay put or move.
Iâm not sure how much overlap with the N&O article bc I canât read that one.
https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2021/02/04/raleigh-mayor-baldwin-pnc-area-use.html
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Just classic protocol. commission a studyâŚto arrive at the result you wantâŚwhich will be a downtown arena.
Dundon has stated unequivocally he wanted a Downtown facilityâŚNC State will have to make a decision as to what they want to do.
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This may be a dumb question. Wouldnât a downtown arena be a lot closer to campus, making it easier for fans and students to get to games?
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Fans? Yes, probably (though weâd heavily rely on the Wilmington St. BRT project coming through).
Students? I highly doubt it matters. A downtown stadium is still too far away to walk for State students living anywhere near campus, so they would probably use something like the âRed Terrorâ bus service to the PNC Center and Carter-Finley that exists now.
Yes it would. Bike, walk, public transitâŚ
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Commuter rail will have a NCSU Central Campus stop too so convenient to most students.
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Only if it runs frequently enough. GoTriangleâs commuter rail is planned to only run about every hour each way at commuter hours (and this is actually better than many American commuter rail services).
The buses State uses on game days now runs at 20min headways, in comparison. You tell me which one seems more convenient and less stressful (especially while youâre a drunk and rowdy college student).
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To be honest I would think NC State continues to use PNC arena if the canes moved downtown, though I personally want State basketball downtown as well.
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I think that you are right. I would imagine that the university would relish the ability to control the arena on its own instead of having to operate under an authority. State students are used to going to Carter-Finley for football, and while bball is somewhat of a different animal with weekday games and no tailgating, I think that the university will see the benefits to stay outweigh any benefit that relocation might offer.
Since bball was moved off campus, itâs not going to make a fan experience to the fans, but the difference to the university and how bball operates benefits from full control of the venue.
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I think Raleigh needs to try very hard to keep the Canes and I think they will stay, but IMO it is going to be hard to justify having the public pay much of the cost of a new arena. That model has been subject to a lot of criticism and increased pushback in recentyears (see the debate about public funding of a soccer stadium at Downtown South). And that was before massive government income shortfalls brought by the pandemic.
Tax revenue down bc of decreased retail sales and parking declines. Raleigh convention center closed for months. I think that all comes back, but it will be an issue for several years.
YMMV, but if we have to choose, I would rather see public funds go to making Dix Park truly world class than funding a second arena. Dix will be free and open for the public to enjoy.
Edit: I would also put keeping the Canes/makings Dundon happy over funding a soccer stadium. NHL is a bigger deal than first tier womenâs and second tier menâs pro soccer. Also, the points above are moot if Dundon is willing to pay for a new arena in a location of his choice out of his pocket, which is the ideal scenario.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
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I donât get the TBJ or The N&O Digital News . Can anyone post the main information concerning the PNC Arena & Downtown South information in these articles ? Thanks !
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I donât really see any news. I think a summary would be⌠âmaybe we should start thinking about thisâ
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I think this is interesting. If we make up a âchoose this or thatâ scenario between a downtown arena vs pushing Dix along faster, here are a few thoughts that come to mind.
Dix would be free, but probably attract more tourism/out of town folks generating a less direct revenue stream for the city.
A downtown arena would generate a more directly traceable revenue stream with tickets, parking, concessions, but likely a more local audience not doing as much to attract out of towners.
Iâm sure there are a million other points, but I think it is a valid consideration and interesting what the economic impacts would be, and weâre in an unprecedented situation. One thing is for sure, the economy should be recovered well before either one of those items comes to light, much less executed.
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Yep. If a downtown arena is built, State will most likely take the âlowest costâ avenue, which will probably mean staying at PNC. At least initially. If the Canes leave PNC, State may get some leverage with the authority. If they do stay and are the major (only) tennant, I would hope they would block/tarp off the upper deck for most games and reconfigure the floor level seating to better fit basketball.
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No this is more important, dix can get money from somewhere else. The parks bond this November!!!
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City Council Agenda for this Tuesday February 16th is Downtown South & TIG Tax Request Discussion .
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Anyone want to take a bet with me that they do not make a decision but refer it to âfurther studyâ?
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They are looking at a time line of hoping to make a final decision in June or July on the TIG Tax Request .
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That was literally what the city attorney recommended last November in the DTS rezoning drama. So⌠uhh⌠sure. and Iâll just take my share of the pot, kthxbai