This project has already been publicly vetted; just like the UDO was…nobody cared or paid attention. Now they want to derail a massive economic engine for the City with a red herring that somehow they were completely blindsided by the new proposal…
This site alone has been discussing RHT for how long?? 2019
Boylan Heights is FOS
If Boylan is willing to give up $30 million per year that the city will no longer be getting from these events while we discuss alternatives, I’m fine with South Street staying open.
If by “the city” you also include the untold number of local businesses that depend on RHA for income, lol
Seems like a lot of personal attacks thrown at people in this community and at Boylan Heights, so I think this is a key point that needs to be reiterated.
Sure, this plan may be shortsighted and maybe its our only option. Fine. But there’s no arguing that it will negatively impact the pedestrian connectivity at the south side of downtown that is expected to undergo some massive growth soon. More thought is needed than just saying ‘people will walk around’. Some will, sure. But the ‘sense’ of connection is lost. It will just more likely expand the dead zone when there’s no events. And again, I guess since that’s the only option, that’s fine.
Is it out of the question that pedestrian connectivity could be preserved even if the road was closed to cars? It seems like a safe pedestrian route would take less space than the amphitheater. Maybe it would have to align to Dorothea Dr rather than South St. Then we would have the best of both worlds - pedestrian connectivity and the continuation of RHA’s presence downtown.
Man, I always love your hypothetical proposals so much more than anything official from the city or any developers. Can you not just become the City Planner?? How do we make this happen? 
We have a very, very good director of planning in Raleigh: Patrick Young. He and staff are supportive of land use reform and are pushing council to make additional changes to the UDO to make infill development easier and less expensive.
As for heritage park, Red hat, etc. those projects are so much bigger and more complicated than the head of planning’s purview. I don’t think a single position in planning can sway the direction of an entire PPP with its own board and governance
I thought the only impact is car connectivity. Isn’t there an accommodation for pedestrian walk/bike access?
Oh I don’t have any issue with our City Planner, that was mostly just meant as a compliment to @mike and his grand ideas 
This RHA site (https://www.redhatamphitheater.com/amphitheater-to-move-one-block-south) says:
Pedestrians approaching downtown from the south and west of the project area can enter downtown via Lenoir Street, which will be redesigned into an inviting, curb-less street, enhancing bike, pedestrian, and vehicular movement.
I was hypothesizing that a pedestrian path could also be created that runs near or alongside the slip lane so that there’s one more option for pedestrians.
First pic is Lenoir, second pic is the bike / ped loop around coming up McDowell inbound to DTR from the direction of the slip lane…?
There is absolutely nothing I love better than following a hopelessly lost cause over a cliff.
I thought that’s what they already had drawn out. Here’s my absolutely quick notes on a previous screenshot showing how one can walk/bike from the west side of the amphitheater to the east side. No, it’s not direct but personally, it’s nice compromise.
Would be amazing if we could punch Dorothea Drive to Kindley Street.
All hope isn’t lost. At the end of the day you’ll be able to walk down Lenoir and enjoy a concert at a new, permanent amphitheater.
I mean yea, the pedestrian connection solution is the same as the car connection. “just go around”
This would go a long ways to making the whole area still feel connected with focus on sidewalk activation in the pink areas.
The horror! That’s like lots of seconds more to get to the same destination!
Plus they get the opportunity to walk along the new little park that will sit behind the amphitheater, which to me would be really enjoyable to have if I was in the neighborhood.
Big agree. People will walk the pink dashed line whether there’s a sidewalk there or not, so that should be the compromise: make the shortest walk path to the south of the RHA a beautiful multiuse path through a pollinator garden
I’m still a bit confused as to their point. Usually, neighborhoods go out of their way to try to stop through traffic. Less convenient for you, but also less convenient for everyone else. You’d think that’s something they’d understand.
Here’s the kicker. They already diverted through traffic in their neighborhood decades ago when Western was aligned with MLK. I bet that they were all about that change.
