You’re right, that is what they proposed, which I overlooked. But evan makes a good point that people are going to walk the shorter distance anyway, so we might as well have a path there. Otherwise, we are essentially asking people to go around a whole city block, which defeats the purpose of all our fretting about connectivity and grid preservation. While it’s not that much extra distance, it’s also not that much (I assume…) to put in a proper path along mike’s dotted line.
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According to this thread on reddit, it looks like Harrison is currently in the ‘Yes’ camp for the RHA:
https://www.reddit.com/r/raleigh/comments/1ett68m/rh_amp_conversation/
Some interesting topics. Jane Harrison, as much flack as she gets here, does a really good job of listening to the community (as unreasonable as some of the members of the community are). If she’s voting yes here, then there really isn’t anything to worry about.
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This is in keeping with my theories on this issue - Harrison / Patton would be the two of the ‘gang of four’ most likely to (eventually) make the common sense decision to vote to close the street to move the amphitheater simply due to the economic stress of not doing it outweighing the logistic hurdles for cross town commuting across South St. Working to hear as many voices as possible and educating on the ‘where we are’ scenarios while still making decisions in the best interest of the greater good while mitigating bad outcomes for as many as possible, well…that’s engagement after all…
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So they have some good will going for them. But Mary Black and Christina Jones 100% need to go.
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Pedestrians will use Lenior going west to east when south st closes, not the McDowell slip. This is one part of downtown where the blocks aren’t perfect squares. So the distance between Lenior and South is only a “half” block, compared to full square blocks everywhere else. That’s why south isn’t the worst street to close; distance to the next parallel street is half that of most other full block downtown.
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As someone who walks this area as part of my daily miles, I can say that I almost NEVER see people either walking or driving this stretch of South St. The amount of pearl clutching on this topic from Boylan Heights in particular is astonishing.
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I found a new use of the “raising hand” reaction.
PREACH IT BROTHER!
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Better than what some Germans used it for…
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30 people are speaking and they’re split on their opinions. So obviously the population of the city is split 50-50 on this. Because that’s how this works, right?
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without isolating communities from downtown…"
FFS
I’m excited to see more of WRAL’s gold standard of reporting on this entire situation.
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Clutch the pearls! Now they are victims of being excluded?
Pick a side BH! You don’t want development near you because of shadows or views, or whatever, but you want uninterrupted access by car to it?
FFS is right!
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And here I had thought back in the day it would be cool to live in Boylan Heights. But now I don’t think I would fit in clutching my pearls…
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We want what we want and we were here first. So let’s negotiate how to make us happy. Logic and others be damned.
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We’re giving people who are generally unhappy individuals too much power over these city-wide decisions. I don’t remember any meltdown when the Truist tower was built and closed off Cabarrus St. to Fayetteville.
This is one of, it not the most, unused streets in all of downtown and look at the reaction from this. With the help of WRAL to drum up a conflict out of thin air too with this comment “without isolating communities from downtown”
Are the residents of Boylan Heights isolated from Downtown twice a week during concert and convention season when Lenoir St closes? NO
All of these suggestions are awful too:
This is dead in the water, they don’t have the backbone to stand up to this, and never have.
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Remember folks, the loudest group wins (or usually gets concessions). If we fail to show up it may be on us.
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I mean… I’d love the “elevated lawn” idea, everywhere you sit would be the “best seat in the house” … but it’d also raise the costs exponentially (I think I read like $40 million lol) so… yeah, not likely
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I just don’t understand how after months of back and forth discussions, NO ONE from either party has seriously considered/recommended just putting the damn amphitheater on top of the CC expansion. Truly baffled at the short-sightedness of this whole thing. It’d be the best-case scenario for multiple reasons:
- It’d shutup the Boylan Heights crowd
- It’d keep both South/Lenoir open
- More cohesiveness w/ the CC while potentially generating more traffic for the CC
- Most likely would be better designed as well, with less acoustics issues
If the budget can’t accommodate this, then city council should JUST SAY THAT. But completely ignoring the the BEST alternative we have for all parties involved will only result in a lot of pissed off people if this whole thing falls through. Tagging @anon8787296 for visibility.
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I said that in 2019… If the City had only listened to me… haha
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Where else have they put a large concert venue on top of a convention center or similar space?
I have one word - BINGO