Smoky Hollow Park Adjacent Development (West St) Rezoning Z-12-25 approved

[Therightway]

Btw. Black isnt a sub grouping, it is the largest race of people on earth. Statements like that alone show racism is still very mich alive. Race isnt a choice.

[dtraleigh]

Let’s not get distracted by race on this issue. I feel that’s one of the lesser things to focus on. Instead, the discussion should be focused on the incumbents and their tactics to exclude new residents. That’s the glaring issue I see here.

[Kanatenah]

@OakCityDylan

When you look at it that way, I’d consider a counter fight to bring to light that these much too wealthy (my opinion of course), whiny old folks should focus their money on something that will actually improve the community, society, the world, not frivolous development in a downtown core. I could spin up a GoFundMe pretty quickly…

Fixed @OakCityDylan post.

[OakCityDylan]

My stereotype did need a little softer touch. Thanks, @Kanatenah!

[OakCityDylan]

Very well said, @GucciLittlePig!

[mmodlin]

If anyone wants to see it, there’s a video on the link below that shows the history and growth of neighborhoods in Raleigh that used racially restrictive covenants up until they were ruled illegal in 1948 and eventually forcibly removed from being added to deeds in 1972.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article301479199.html

[Seawell]

Thanks, very interesting. How about the fact this neighborhood of “whiny rich people” has a 120 year history of housing discrimination attached to it and the first in the DT area to enact it.

[Jake]

I mean there’s someone on here who probably needs to see it, but they won’t bother to even try to understand the context of @OakCityDylan’s comment so, unlikely lmao

[John]

That’s an astute observation that Glenwood-Brooklyn was the very first exclusionary covenant neighborhood in the city. That said, I don’t think that the label should automatically be pinned on the current residents, though the legacy of generational wealth is clearly embedded in its history.

What seems clear to me is that this neighborhood somehow perceives dense/tall development near them as an existential threat to their way of life and their property values. Not only do I disagree with that narrative, I think it’s the opposite. IMO, the vibrancy that comes with more residents in their walk shed assures them that their way of life will improve with access to more resources as a result of the residential density that a project like this one will provide. In the end, this is about their fear of change that presumes that all change is negative.

[dtseabar]

As a homeowner in the Glennwood-Brooklyn neighborhood, I’m offended to be grouped into this lawsuit.

[xdavidj]

It’s the vocal minority. I’ve talked with quite a few people who live in that neighborhood and are both embarrassed by the situation and fine (even happy) with the development

[Speck]

Who is the main driver of this whole thing? Usually I feel like it’s one or two people who have some specific vendetta or reason to get everyone whipped up.

[John]

I’d suspect that the closer ones house is to the tracks, the more likely they are to be loud about the development.

[John]

Are those of you who feel differently to the loud and organized “anti” crowd making your opinions heard by Jane Harrison?

[OakCityDylan]

This is refreshing to hear and only neighbors in that neighborhood really have the perspective to represent the situation at it’s source.

I do agree with @John’s question around if those of you that don’t agree with the lawsuit have been vocal about your support.

[Roganberry]

One of the things that makes this particularly egregious is that the city taxpayers are funding a multi-million $$ park basically in the GWBK neighborhood that will substantially increase the desirability of their neighborhood and property values. The “ask” in return was to potentially sacrifice some daylight in their already shady neighborhood in an attempt to keep housing affordable for others in the city/neighborhood.

[John]

And remember that the developer was denied the first time, largely because of the noise from that neighborhood, and the city lost its chance to have the developer help fund that park.

[daviddonovan]

@BoyHowdy

but Substitute BLACK or JEWISH or ASIAN or GAY or any other sub grouping and how is what you wrote not just absolutely the most discrimanatory racist ageist classist statement I’ve seen on here in awhile.

I would like to sidestep the unproductive morass of debating race, religion, sexual orientation, ageism or classism in this forum and instead address the really troubling issue raised by this comment.

Using boldface in your post does not make your argument more persuasive, and in fact writing long passages in boldface is considered impolite in a forum devoted to high-minded discussion such as ours. It is the equivalent of shouting … while running around and waving your arms … with no pants on.

USING ALL CAPS IN YOUR POST DOES NOT MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT MORE PERSUASIVE. And if you disagree with statement after having read it typed in all caps, well, that just goes to prove how true it is, now doesn’t it?

If posters want to make their arguments more persuasive and compelling, there are tools at your disposal to do so. They’re called emojis. That’s what they’re there for.

[CarnifeX]

@Speck

Who is the main driver of this whole thing?

The first sentence in the letter indicates that “Mr. Roy Attride, Mrs. Connie Upchurch, and Mr. David L. Knight, residents of the Glenwood-Brooklyn Neighborhood…” have retained the lawgroup.

[Jake]

@John

IMO, the vibrancy that comes with more residents in their walk shed assures them that their way of life will improve with access to more resources as a result of the residential density that a project like this one will provide.

Exactly why I think all the idiots involved in this lawsuit/Livable Raleigh should be banned from patronizing any of the new businesses that open in the new development and from enjoying the new park. Stay locked up in your houses, you crusty NIMBY losers!!! lol