Smoky Hollow Phases 1, 2, and 3

Nevermind, it’s just the Chicken and Waffle dish all day. Whoops.

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This is starting to look like a nice outdoor area. Looks like two service windows, one on each side and a standing bar area perhaps.

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Or even a seated bar, if they add seats!
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Midwood Smokehouse interior coming along

Madre sort of getting there

Crunkleton doing nothing

J Lights completely empty at 5:30 on a Saturday

And New Anthem has a bar. I hope they decorate a little… Lol

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Maybe Kane should have dropped a 40 story residential before the retail part. Or sign some mainstream tenants that have more broad appeal. After paying $2000 a month for rent, need some cheaper food options down there. Guess you can go to Publix and make a bologna sammich though….

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Wonder what’s up with Crunkleton. Surprised New Anthem is cruising along with building, and they were announced like a year after Crunkleton.

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It’s about time Charlootte offered Raleigh something of reasonable worth… :smile:
Still, I hard-headedly want to support the local joints

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Well, to be fair, there are hundreds and hundreds of apartments that Kane delivered in Smoky Hollow. Sure it would nice to have more of them and more food options too.

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Good point. Any idea how many of those apartments are vacant?

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Not many. The Line set a record for how fast it filled up. I’d say there may be a dozen units open at any given time? The Peace St Apts aren’t far from that.

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Because people who pay cheaper rent tend to have …less disposable income? Weird thought process there.

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You’re not wrong. This is sorely lacking residents and the rest of their possible proposals seem to have stalled. My neighborhood bar has more people on a Tuesday afternoon.

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I haven’t been but is J Lights more a bar or a restaurant? I think downtowners eat a little later than 5:30. No seniors special here.

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Then why be open if downtowners don’t come out until late? If it’s a bar why don’t people get a drink before dinner? I don’t know what this place is and have no plans to go so I’m genuinely asking.

I have a dinner reservation for 530 next Saturday so I can make the 7 pm Jim Gaffigan show at DPAC! I guess I must be a senior…

Not necessarily true.

That’s a problem… a lot of these new boutiquey like places don’t have a lot of name recognition. Put a Chipotle or something in there at least it would draw some instant traffic. Too cool for school only goes so far. Bet the First Watch on Glenwood kills it.

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Feels like the retail and dining might be touch early given the minimal amount of parking and need for walkable residents and visitors. Off the top of my head, there is a lot of new residential and hotels being built or planned over the next 5 years within .5 miles. If all come online you could be adding several thousand new residential units and multiple hotels within walking distance.

I’m guessing that J Lights here will follow the same business model as they do in Durham where they essentially serve as a restaurant for the brewery next door (Hi-Wire). Things will look better for them once New Anthem opens up.

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Well that didn’t work out very well since they closed the Durham one already. I guess my point is they just looked very empty while everything else downtown seemed to have people everywhere. Of course when everything else opens it’ll be a busier area. But who knows if they’ll hang on that long. New anthem and Crunkleton look far from opening, and no one is going to go to Madre or the BBQ place for dinner and then stop by J Lights after. I’m not sure what they need to do, but I feel like they opened way too far ahead of the rest of that area. Or more accurately, those other places have been taking way too long to get going.

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@Boltman and I agree on something here! I used to have the mentality of :100: local. Support local! Only local! And while I still want local as much as possible, recognizable brands attract people that don’t know local. I think we do need more national brands in different retail verticals sprinkled around downtown. It’s likely to draw more non-DTR residents which will draw more attention to local establishments. I think DTR residents will continue to support local any opportunity.

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