Will be interesting to see how those turn out.
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âDue to the limited availability of townhomes in our development project (3), the asking price will reflect the exclusive nature of these beautiful residences.â
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Well, if youâre committed to a mall-style eating and shopping experience, Iâm not sure thereâs much downtown can do for you ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
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Oops. Forgot to turn on my sarcasm mode. But, thatâs the conflict I have with my husband every time we go downtown. Iâm the urbanisto, and heâs the suburban whiner. The very thought of paying for parking causes him to break out in hives.
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Canât you still park downtown in the evenings for free in municipal decks?
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I am definitely with him in not ever sinking so low to pay for parking. No no no, sir!
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I can usually find street parking, but if itâs like 2 bucks on top of my $8 beers and $16 cocktails, itâs not that big a deal. Plus they can use that revenue to BUILD MORE PARKING DECKS FOR YOU!
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âThereâs not enough parking downtownâ
âOk, hereâs several monster parking decks, and even some easy street parking thatâs a couple blocks awayâ
âI hate parking decks and donât want to walk if itâs not room temp outsideâ
RAGE
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Itâs further complicated by the fact that we also have to take the fur babies into considerationâŚ
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I knew I liked you man. Iâve got two bassets now, they are #s 8 and 9, and we are planning on getting #10 in the Spring.
What handsome looking triâs!!
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Ephraim (on the left) is 4 months old, hailing from Wilkesboro. Cyrus is three years old, hailing from Lumberton. They are Hound #6 and #5, respectively. And, weâve always had tri blacks.
Our car is also a Basset chariot.
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Trying to hide a parking garage is the very definition of âputting lipstick on a pigâ:
The city of Raleighâs overall density is 2.07 households per acre. 1,299 units at typical Raleigh densities would usually require paving over 579 acres = Lake Johnson Park + Pullen Park, or almost 2X Dix Parks.
Probably just two-story apartment units with ground-floor entries to the outside. In theory, they could make nice live/work units for someone who wants an exterior entrance and some foot traffic (since the other side of the street will be retail) â and also useful for dog owners.
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I like the average density comparison. That is a really good way to look at it.
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Or a municipal Trojan Horse! You think you are getting urbanism but you are really getting a traffic jam!
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He and I represent the majority. Inconvenience, and having to pay for it is a no go. See you at Cameron Village. If downtown had a large very concentrated area of shops and restaurants like Santa Monica Place then I would be a player. One park plus short walk ok. Raleigh is still too disjointed downtown. A little here, a little there.
Person street is popular because it is a good mix of tolerable parking with some concentrated places. No parking decks, free parking. Winner. Oakwood NIMBYS can walk. Five Point NIMBYS can drive. Perfect!!!
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I hear what you are saying - the lack of a true shopping district or street is a major hole for DTR, at least in my mind. However, I have found DTR one of the most walkable and compact downtown areas of Iâve ever experienced. Ft. Worth also comes to mind.
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Still too many dead spots. It may fill in if can get enough residential density downtown. Downtown retail still a tough sell. Donât get me started on the Moore Square block experience.
Ok done,back to seaboard station . Get parking right there could be good. Also need my affordable chain food there. Nandos Peri Peri pleeeeze. Give me a Raising Canes too!
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Nandoâs and Caneâs would be amazing there. I could walk there!
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You are correct, and you might also note that the overwhelming majority of the city is already built in a way to cater to people like this - those for whom free parking in a surface lot right next to the entrance is a non-negotiable requirement.
And while Person Street and Cameron Village are nice, they are, quite frankly, not all that special. Theyâre nicer than most areas in Raleigh but frankly thatâs not a high bar given how overwhelmingly suburban this city is. Take an out-of-towner there and, if theyâre from Goldsboro they might be impressed, but if theyâve traveled to any real city before, they would kind of shrug. The parking takes up too much space and puts a low cap on the density and level of activity that can be achieved.
So if what you desire is a driveable retail node for every neighborhood, we already have that in spades. What we donât have enough of is areas with a critical mass where the âpark-once, then walkâ model works - but thatâs really what it takes to get to the next level. At some point, we are going to have to let go of appeasing the ânot enough parkingâ crowd, and get down to work at creating a top-notch urban environment.
Are there people who wouldnât visit Manhattan because parking is a hassle? ABSOLUTELY. But they donât matter, not really. Manhattan is not for them. We need to be ready to say âOk, thatâs fine, if you demand easy free parking, this area wonât be for you.â There are enough people close enough to walk, and enough people in this city (and our numbers are growing), who are willing to pay to park in a deck and walk a couple of blocks, in exchange for a truly special urban environment.
Some retail spaces might sit vacant for a while. Thatâs fine. As the density fills in, weâll get there. Meanwhile, the ânot enough parkingâ crowd can continue to enjoy their Person Streets, their Cameron Villages, and whatever else is out there for them.
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